From householdwords at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 16:07:51 2009
From: householdwords at gmail.com (H P Ladds)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:07:51 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] MythTV InstallFest and Conference Saturday, October 10th,
	2009
Message-ID: <87c8039b0910021307l17322198id329785e509a7baf@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Friday Afternoon!

Preparations for the Oct. 10th MythTV InstallFest and Conference are
going well! Freeside Atlanta's new warehouse space is wired with
Comcast Cable and DirecTV. Also a very large antenna for receiving
Over The Air signals waits on the roof top. In short, in terms of
television reception, we've made it easy to simulate your home
environment while attending the Installfest.

A full schedule of interesting (potentially provocative) speakers is
organized and features Aaron Ruscetta of Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts,
Keith Watson of Georgia Tech, and Abe Caleb from Computer Service
Corporation.

Schedules Direct is generously providing door prizes and give-aways --
some of the give-aways are indispensable to MythTV users. Jarod
Wilson, a Developer of the MythDora distribution and one of the
authors of "Hacking MythTV," is offering a raffle item, and pcHDTV is
reducing the price on the HDTV-5500 capture card. (Available only at
the InstallFest and Conference.)

The InstallFest and Conference also offers a great opportunity to see
a hacker space and learn how to start or join one.

To register and obtain complete event details please visit:
http://wiki.freesideatlanta.org/mythtv-installfest-and-conference

From gwbrown1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:33:09 2009
From: gwbrown1 at gmail.com (Greg Brown)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
Message-ID: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to move to
an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to block 2 meter
radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally worthless inside and
a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 mag mount antenna.  In the
old house (in Youngsville) I could easily hit the 148.88 repeater even at 10
watts output.  Here, in downdown Durham, I can recieve transmissions on the
FT-1802 but not push a signal to the repeater (the HT is useless inside, it
can't even pick up a useable signal from the repeater).

So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof
mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different antenna
inside the building?  The building in question is an old tobacco warehouse
with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior walls are built using
metal studs with drywall over top.

There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.

Any ideas are welcome.

Greg
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From sorenson at uffdaa.com  Tue Oct  6 15:42:08 2009
From: sorenson at uffdaa.com (Dave Sorenson)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
In-Reply-To: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACB9D90.5010001@uffdaa.com>

You do know that .88 is off the air right? It went down sometime 
yesterday, unless it's been fixed in the last few hours.

Dave

On 10/6/2009 3:33 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
> Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to move
> to an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to block
> 2 meter radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally worthless
> inside and a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 mag mount
> antenna.  In the old house (in Youngsville) I could easily hit the
> 148.88 repeater even at 10 watts output.  Here, in downdown Durham, I
> can recieve transmissions on the FT-1802 but not push a signal to the
> repeater (the HT is useless inside, it can't even pick up a useable
> signal from the repeater).
>
> So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof
> mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different
> antenna inside the building?  The building in question is an old tobacco
> warehouse with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior walls are
> built using metal studs with drywall over top.
>
> There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux-ham mailing list
> Linux-ham at trilug.org
> http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ham

-- 
Please note that my e-mail address has changed. dave at logicalgeek is 
being replaced by sorenson at uffdaa.com

Please update your address books.
Thanks !
Dave Sorenson
KJ4OBR

From gwbrown1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:43:11 2009
From: gwbrown1 at gmail.com (Greg Brown)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:43:11 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
In-Reply-To: <4ACB9D90.5010001@uffdaa.com>
References: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACB9D90.5010001@uffdaa.com>
Message-ID: <4898d2dc0910061243m53af3465sd55b24b9e96fc4eb@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, no, I wasn't aware.  I've not been on the air (transmitting) in
months and listening in a couple weeks.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Dave Sorenson <sorenson at uffdaa.com> wrote:

> You do know that .88 is off the air right? It went down sometime yesterday,
> unless it's been fixed in the last few hours.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 10/6/2009 3:33 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
>
>> Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to move
>> to an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to block
>> 2 meter radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally worthless
>> inside and a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 mag mount
>> antenna.  In the old house (in Youngsville) I could easily hit the
>> 148.88 repeater even at 10 watts output.  Here, in downdown Durham, I
>> can recieve transmissions on the FT-1802 but not push a signal to the
>> repeater (the HT is useless inside, it can't even pick up a useable
>> signal from the repeater).
>>
>> So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof
>> mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different
>> antenna inside the building?  The building in question is an old tobacco
>> warehouse with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior walls are
>> built using metal studs with drywall over top.
>>
>> There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
>>
>> Any ideas are welcome.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux-ham mailing list
>> Linux-ham at trilug.org
>> http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ham
>>
>
> --
> Please note that my e-mail address has changed. dave at logicalgeek is being
> replaced by sorenson at uffdaa.com
>
> Please update your address books.
> Thanks !
> Dave Sorenson
> KJ4OBR
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From donroden at hiwaay.net  Tue Oct  6 15:48:51 2009
From: donroden at hiwaay.net (donroden at hiwaay.net)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:48:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
In-Reply-To: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091006144851.17517i03mg4fka3n@webmail.hiwaay.net>

Windows ?

Don WA4NPL

opps......... can I say "windows" on a linux site ?





Quoting "Greg Brown" <gwbrown1 at gmail.com>:

> Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to move to
> an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to block 2 meter
> radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally worthless inside and
> a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 mag mount antenna.  In the
> old house (in Youngsville) I could easily hit the 148.88 repeater even at 10
> watts output.  Here, in downdown Durham, I can recieve transmissions on the
> FT-1802 but not push a signal to the repeater (the HT is useless inside, it
> can't even pick up a useable signal from the repeater).
>
> So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof
> mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different antenna
> inside the building?  The building in question is an old tobacco warehouse
> with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior walls are built using
> metal studs with drywall over top.
>
> There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
> Greg
>


From gwbrown1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 16:09:48 2009
From: gwbrown1 at gmail.com (Greg Brown)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
In-Reply-To: <20091006144851.17517i03mg4fka3n@webmail.hiwaay.net>
References: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091006144851.17517i03mg4fka3n@webmail.hiwaay.net>
Message-ID: <4898d2dc0910061309v73989dd9lf49cce21d3db2cc@mail.gmail.com>

I think I'd even have a problem there.. I have tried to extend the antenna
out the window into the courtyard on a piece of metal attached to a metal
filing cabinet but even that did not work (my apartment faces the interior
courtyard on the 2nd floor of a 5 story building (with double-height floors,
so the ceilings (and building overall) are taller than the standing 5 story
building.

Still no luck.  There's got to be a way..

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:48 PM, <donroden at hiwaay.net> wrote:

> Windows ?
>
> Don WA4NPL
>
> opps......... can I say "windows" on a linux site ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting "Greg Brown" <gwbrown1 at gmail.com>:
>
>  Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to move to
>> an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to block 2
>> meter
>> radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally worthless inside
>> and
>> a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 mag mount antenna.  In the
>> old house (in Youngsville) I could easily hit the 148.88 repeater even at
>> 10
>> watts output.  Here, in downdown Durham, I can recieve transmissions on
>> the
>> FT-1802 but not push a signal to the repeater (the HT is useless inside,
>> it
>> can't even pick up a useable signal from the repeater).
>>
>> So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof
>> mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different antenna
>> inside the building?  The building in question is an old tobacco warehouse
>> with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior walls are built using
>> metal studs with drywall over top.
>>
>> There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
>>
>> Any ideas are welcome.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From nllittle at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:43:29 2009
From: nllittle at embarqmail.com (Neil L. Little)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:43:29 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] a HAM question, really..
In-Reply-To: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4898d2dc0910061233p60940709v5a4ee477c1eb5c72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACBBA01.5010908@embarqmail.com>

There are many types of antennas that are made just for the apartment 
dweller.  For example wire antennas are pretty much invisible Here are 
some other examples:
1. A J-Pole antenna made from twin lead. Hang it out the window wire and 
cable are hard to see.
2. Make a beam antenna from wire which can then be draped over the roof 
in the general direction of the repeater.
3. If you have access to the attic then all manner of antennas may be 
stuffed up there.

73,
Neil, WA4AZL


Greg Brown wrote:
> Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to 
> move to an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to 
> block 2 meter radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally 
> worthless inside and a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 
> mag mount antenna.  In the old house (in Youngsville) I could easily 
> hit the 148.88 repeater even at 10 watts output.  Here, in downdown 
> Durham, I can recieve transmissions on the FT-1802 but not push a 
> signal to the repeater (the HT is useless inside, it can't even pick 
> up a useable signal from the repeater).
>
> So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof 
> mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different 
> antenna inside the building?  The building in question is an old 
> tobacco warehouse with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior 
> walls are built using metal studs with drywall over top.
>
> There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
>
> Any ideas are welcome.
>
> Greg
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From ScottGHall at BellSouth.Net  Wed Oct  7 03:24:51 2009
From: ScottGHall at BellSouth.Net (Scott G. Hall)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:24:51 -0400
Subject: [Linux-ham] Linux-ham Digest, Vol 42, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1254865419.7640.linux-ham@trilug.org>
References: <mailman.27.1254865419.7640.linux-ham@trilug.org>
Message-ID: <4ACC4243.3070902@BellSouth.Net>

You could offer to put up their Christmas decorations for them...  :)

When you hang the roof-line lights, use some of those under-shingle
hooks used for Christmas lights and stretch a wire (or two or more
for several bands) along the second or third shingle course.  And
you can hide a lead across the roof to the other side for a length
there.  Not permanently attached, but fastened well enough to weather
storms, and can be taken down when you move.

And if your building doesn't have shingles, they make Christmas light
string holders for brick surfaces, that you can stretch your antenna
along a mortar line to hide it.  Or across the tops of window surrounds.
All of these with fasteners that can be taken down when you move, all
pretty much invisible from two-stories up or higher.

"Neil L. Little" wrote:
> There are many types of antennas that are made just for the apartment 
> dweller.  For example wire antennas are pretty much invisible Here are 
> some other examples:
> 1. A J-Pole antenna made from twin lead. Hang it out the window wire and 
> cable are hard to see.
> 2. Make a beam antenna from wire which can then be draped over the roof 
> in the general direction of the repeater.
> 3. If you have access to the attic then all manner of antennas may be 
> stuffed up there.
> 
> 73,
> Neil, WA4AZL
> 
> Greg Brown wrote:
> > Ok, people, I've got a problem that's really bugging me.  I had to 
> > move to an apartment this year and the building seems purpose-built to 
> > block 2 meter radio signals.  I have a tri-band HT that is literally 
> > worthless inside and a Yaesu FT-1802 50 watt 2 meter radio and a 1/4 
> > mag mount antenna.  In the old house (in Youngsville) I could easily 
> > hit the 148.88 repeater even at 10 watts output.  Here, in downdown 
> > Durham, I can recieve transmissions on the FT-1802 but not push a 
> > signal to the repeater (the HT is useless inside, it can't even pick 
> > up a useable signal from the repeater).
> >
> > So, what can I do?  The building management already said no to a roof 
> > mounted antenna of any kind so that's out.  Can I try a different 
> > antenna inside the building?  The building in question is an old 
> > tobacco warehouse with foot-thick brick walls (exterior) and interior 
> > walls are built using metal studs with drywall over top.
> >
> > There's got to be *SOMETHING* I can do.
> >
> > Any ideas are welcome.
> >
> > Greg


-- 
Scott G. Hall
Raleigh, NC, USA
ScottGHall at BellSouth.Net

