From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 19:57:32 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Fatmi, Saida)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:57:32 -0500
Subject: This month Topic
Message-ID: <31042C6F640AD411ABC000C00D01728301245DD2@Avalon.ies.ncsu.edu>

Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 20:08:30 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:08:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: This month Topic
In-Reply-To: <31042C6F640AD411ABC000C00D01728301245DD2@Avalon.ies.ncsu.edu>
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On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Fatmi, Saida wrote:

> 
> Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?

Not this Monday, but next Monday. The next NCSA meeting is scheduled to 
be Monday November 11th. 

best,
Steve Burnett
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 20:21:29 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Shrini)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:21:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: This month Topic
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 burnett@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Fatmi, Saida wrote:

> 
> Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?

Not this Monday, but next Monday. The next NCSA meeting is scheduled to 
be Monday November 11th. 

# I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group

best,
Steve Burnett
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<P>On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Fatmi, Saida wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?<BR><BR>Not this Monday, but next Monday. The next NCSA meeting is scheduled to <BR>be Monday November 11th. </P>
<P># I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group<BR><BR>best,<BR>Steve Burnett<BR>-- <BR>Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/<BR>System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>ncsa-discussion mailing list<BR>ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org<BR>http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-discussion</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><ADDRESS><FONT face="Times New Roman">Srinivasan, G</FONT></ADDRESS>
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 20:21:29 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Shrini)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:21:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: This month Topic
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 burnett@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Fatmi, Saida wrote:

> 
> Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?

Not this Monday, but next Monday. The next NCSA meeting is scheduled to 
be Monday November 11th. 

# I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group

best,
Steve Burnett
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<P>On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Fatmi, Saida wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Are we having NCSA discussion this Monday?<BR><BR>Not this Monday, but next Monday. The next NCSA meeting is scheduled to <BR>be Monday November 11th. </P>
<P># I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group<BR><BR>best,<BR>Steve Burnett<BR>-- <BR>Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/<BR>System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>ncsa-discussion mailing list<BR>ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org<BR>http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-discussion</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><ADDRESS><FONT face="Times New Roman">Srinivasan, G</FONT></ADDRESS>
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 20:33:13 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:33:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: This month Topic
In-Reply-To: <20021101202129.19109.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211011531390.14807-100000@giggles.cavesofice.org>

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Shrini wrote:

> # I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group

Second Monday of the month, 6pm, Dreyfus Auditorium at Research Triangle 
Institute. 

Map and directions:
http://www.ncsysadmin.org/directions.html

best,
Steve Burnett
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  1 20:32:39 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Shrini)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:32:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: This month Topic
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 burnett@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Shrini wrote:

> # I appreciate, if some one tell me the timing/venue, since am new to this group

Second Monday of the month, 6pm, Dreyfus Auditorium at Research Triangle 
Institute. 

## Thank you very much for quick response.

-Srini

Map and directions:
http://www.ncsysadmin.org/directions.html

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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov  5 21:19:53 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (steve dorsett)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:19:53 -0500
Subject: redhat NFS mounts
Message-ID: <3DC835F9.B9B9403A@catapult.com>

Thought I'd try here before going to the redhat-specific groups...

I now have 45 minutes experience with redhat, trying to get an NFS mount
from a solaris 2.7 box to work. The filesystem is exported, and the
netfs service is running on the RH box (uname reports 2.4.18-14).

snoop on the server shows that it is responding with a "mount OK" which
is apparently being ignored by the client. It continues to send requests
until generating an RPC timeout message in the terminal window. Anything
else to look at on the client side?

Please respond to me directly as well as to the list, as I believe my
subscribed email address finally stopped working today. My old ISP has
been bought and sold one too many times, this time I believe the plug
has been pulled.

Thanks - 

Steve

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Thu Nov  7 01:53:02 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Mike Gerdts)
Date: 06 Nov 2002 20:53:02 -0500
Subject: redhat NFS mounts
In-Reply-To: <3DC835F9.B9B9403A@catapult.com>
References: <3DC835F9.B9B9403A@catapult.com>
Message-ID: <1036633983.1775.7.camel@compaq>

My guess is that your firewalling rules are blocking it.  Try

	service iptables stop
or
	/etc/init.d/iptables stop

Then try the mount again.  Next, adjust /etc/sysconfig/iptables
appropriately.

Mike

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:19, steve dorsett wrote:
> 
> Thought I'd try here before going to the redhat-specific groups...
> 
> I now have 45 minutes experience with redhat, trying to get an NFS mount
> from a solaris 2.7 box to work. The filesystem is exported, and the
> netfs service is running on the RH box (uname reports 2.4.18-14).
> 
> snoop on the server shows that it is responding with a "mount OK" which
> is apparently being ignored by the client. It continues to send requests
> until generating an RPC timeout message in the terminal window. Anything
> else to look at on the client side?
> 
> Please respond to me directly as well as to the list, as I believe my
> subscribed email address finally stopped working today. My old ISP has
> been bought and sold one too many times, this time I believe the plug
> has been pulled.
> 
> Thanks - 
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> ncsa-discussion mailing list
> ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org
> http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-discussion



From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Thu Nov  7 06:56:13 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Stephen Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:56:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: redhat NFS mounts
In-Reply-To: <3DC835F9.B9B9403A@catapult.com>
Message-ID: <20021107065613.31439.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com>

>From the kernel version, this looks like RH 8.0.  What
firewall security level did you choose when you
installed?  It could be that your iptables filters are
blocking the response packets.  As root, do

/sbin/iptables -L -v

which should print out your current filter rules.  If
you trust the hundreds of subscribers to this list not
to abuse the privilege, you might post the output
here; otherwise feel free to e-mail them to me if
you're comfotable with that.

    - Stephen

--- steve dorsett <steve.dorsett@catapult.com> wrote:
> 
> Thought I'd try here before going to the
> redhat-specific groups...
> 
> I now have 45 minutes experience with redhat, trying
> to get an NFS mount
> from a solaris 2.7 box to work. The filesystem is
> exported, and the
> netfs service is running on the RH box (uname
> reports 2.4.18-14).
> 
> snoop on the server shows that it is responding with
> a "mount OK" which
> is apparently being ignored by the client. It
> continues to send requests
> until generating an RPC timeout message in the
> terminal window. Anything
> else to look at on the client side?
> 
> Please respond to me directly as well as to the
> list, as I believe my
> subscribed email address finally stopped working
> today. My old ISP has
> been bought and sold one too many times, this time I
> believe the plug
> has been pulled.
> 
> Thanks - 
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> ncsa-discussion mailing list
> ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org
>
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Thu Nov  7 13:41:04 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (steve dorsett)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 08:41:04 -0500
Subject: redhat NFS mounts
References: <3DC835F9.B9B9403A@catapult.com> <1036633983.1775.7.camel@compaq>
Message-ID: <3DCA6D70.1979EFBF@catapult.com>


Yep, that was it. I found a pointer to this feature later that day on
the web "somewhere".


Mike Gerdts wrote:
> 
> My guess is that your firewalling rules are blocking it.  Try
> 
>         service iptables stop
> or
>         /etc/init.d/iptables stop
>

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Fri Nov  8 16:10:43 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Tom Felbinger)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 11:10:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: kvm switches over ip
Message-ID: <200211081610.LAA07200@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>

Hi Folks,

Looking for product suggestions/feedback from people with direct experience 
with KVM over IP.

Thanks!!! 

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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 11 18:23:17 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Shaw Family)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:23:17 -0500
Subject: Public Key Server
References: <31042C6F640AD411ABC000C00D017283C10B6B@Avalon.ies.ncsu.edu> <1037110918.21192.187.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <3DCFF595.C6527BD5@pobox.com>

Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> 
> My key is on www.keyserver.net .  I thought all of the key servers were
> supposed to be connected though?
> 
> --Jeremy

I just threw mine out on keyserver.net also.  I was able to confirm this
by performing a lookup on my email address.  I still have to pull down
EnigMail and drop it in Netscape  in order to get some real use.

(BTW, I am sending this to the NCSA list because I would like to know
also - I thought all of the key servers where linked?  And if not who is
the "KeyMaster" and who is the "GateKeeper"?  - (Ghostbuster's reference
intended!))

Regards,

Mike
--
shaw89(at)pobox(dot)com


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 13 03:46:09 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:46:09 -0500
Subject: Public Key Server
In-Reply-To: <3DCFF595.C6527BD5@pobox.com>; from shaw89@pobox.com on Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 01:23:17PM -0500
References: <31042C6F640AD411ABC000C00D017283C10B6B@Avalon.ies.ncsu.edu> <1037110918.21192.187.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3DCFF595.C6527BD5@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20021112224609.D3810@eeyore.1000plus.com>

On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 01:23:17PM -0500, Shaw Family wrote:
> Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> > 
> > My key is on www.keyserver.net .  I thought all of the key servers were
> > supposed to be connected though?
> > 
> > --Jeremy
> 
> I just threw mine out on keyserver.net also.  I was able to confirm this
> by performing a lookup on my email address.  I still have to pull down
> EnigMail and drop it in Netscape  in order to get some real use.
> 
> (BTW, I am sending this to the NCSA list because I would like to know
> also - I thought all of the key servers where linked?  And if not who is
> the "KeyMaster" and who is the "GateKeeper"?  - (Ghostbuster's reference
> intended!))

The way I understand it, all (?) of the keyservers are linked, but there
can be propagation delays.  I checked the FAQ at pgp.mit.edu and at
www.keyserver.net, and both mention that the keys they get are sent on
to other servers (although they don't say which ones).  The FAQ at
www.keyserver.net specifically says to only send updates to one
keyserver and the update with be spread to all the other keyservers.

Mike

-- 
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mbroome(at)employees.org

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 13 05:38:02 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 13 Nov 2002 00:38:02 -0500
Subject: Public Key Server
In-Reply-To: <20021112224609.D3810@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <31042C6F640AD411ABC000C00D017283C10B6B@Avalon.ies.ncsu.edu>
 <1037110918.21192.187.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
 <3DCFF595.C6527BD5@pobox.com>  <20021112224609.D3810@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <1037165884.1442.10.camel@silverstar>

On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 22:46, Mike Broome wrote:
> 
> The way I understand it, all (?) of the keyservers are linked, but there
> can be propagation delays.  I checked the FAQ at pgp.mit.edu and at
> www.keyserver.net, and both mention that the keys they get are sent on
> to other servers (although they don't say which ones).  The FAQ at
> www.keyserver.net specifically says to only send updates to one
> keyserver and the update with be spread to all the other keyservers.

It looks like the FAQ at pgp.mit.edu isn't quite right, or at least
www.keyserver.net isn't syncing with the other key servers.  My key has
been at www.keyserver.net for over a month, but didn't show up on
wwwkeys.*.pgp.net until I uploaded it there on Monday.  That seems like
an excessive propagation delay... :-)  However, it does look like the
MIT server is connecting to wwwkeys.*.pgp.net fine.   

FYI, I've signed everyone's keys from Monday night, and uploaded the
updated keyring to both the MIT server (which syncs with
wwwkeys.pgp.net) and www.keyserver.net.

Regards,
Jeremy Portzer


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 18 15:03:21 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Rich Sodemann)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:03:21 -0500
Subject: HP C1560B Autoloader
Message-ID: <003101c28f13$a541d1e0$faf48aac@hppav>

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Hello,

Anybody know of a compatible replacement unit for the infamous HP C1560B =
Autoloader other than installing a separate DAT drive on each system? I =
back up multiple HP 9000/735 systems each night and  I seem to only get =
a couple of months out of a unit before it has to be swapped out because =
of problems.

Thanks,

Rich Sodemann
rich.sodemann@datagateinc.com

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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 18 16:07:09 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (James Brigman)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:07:09 -0500
Subject: HP C1560B Autoloader
In-Reply-To: <003101c28f13$a541d1e0$faf48aac@hppav>
Message-ID: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDGEMJCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>

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Rich;

Your experience with the C1560B seems unusual to me: I've been around or
used, those units on several occasions and they've always been fairly
bulletproof. Be aware:

1) You need to schedule tape head cleaning regularly and often.
2) If you are using Omniback, make sure you ALLOW appended writes to the
tapes. Otherwise you'll work the robot very much and of course, you won't
get near enough use out of each individual tape.
3) Use a name brand tape. I use genuine HP DDS tapes and cleaning
cartridges.
4) If you keep a maintenance contract it's a good idea to let a skilled HP
field service guy "PM" it every six months. HP robots and optical tape
jukeboxes seem to do much better if they are serviced periodically.

I located several companies that sell the refurbished/repaired C1560B for
amazingly low prices.

http://www.mwtss.com/products.html
and
http://www.alloncomputer.com/storage.html

I have no connection to these companies except that I've bought stuff from
them occasionally. Their prices seem to be pretty good.

JKB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: ncsa-discussion-admin@ncsysadmin.org
[mailto:ncsa-discussion-admin@ncsysadmin.org]On Behalf Of Rich Sodemann
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:03 AM
  To: NCSA-Discussion
  Subject: HP C1560B Autoloader


  Hello,

  Anybody know of a compatible replacement unit for the infamous HP C1560B
Autoloader other than installing a separate DAT drive on each system? I back
up multiple HP 9000/735 systems each night and  I seem to only get a couple
of months out of a unit before it has to be swapped out because of problems.

  Thanks,

  Rich Sodemann
  rich.sodemann@datagateinc.com

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jukeboxes seem=20
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size=3D2>and</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>I have=20
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  Sodemann<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 18, 2002 10:03 =
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 13:16:53 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Tom Felbinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:16:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
Message-ID: <200211191316.IAA16952@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>

Hi Folks,

Let me preface this by saying I don't want to start a long running
thread.  I would really just like a response to the multiple choice question 
posted at the end.  I'd be happy to summarize the results.

My user base runs lots of CPU + memory intensive applications.  They 
really like the performance that the H/W running Linux provides, but 
it seems that these systems (from an operating system point) are alot less 
stable/reliable than their Solaris counterparts.

We currently run Redhat 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 as well as Solaris 7 and 8.

In my opinion, the following is the most accurate statement:

( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly less reliable than Solaris.
( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat less reliable than Solaris.
( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is just as reliable as Solaris.
( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat more reliable than Solaris.
( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly more reliable than Solaris.

Thanks for the feedback!!!

  **********************************************************************
  * Tom Felbinger                                   Synopsys, Inc.     *
  * Systems Administrator                           1101 Slater Road   *
  *                                                 Suite 300          *
  * Tom.Felbinger@synopsys.com                      Durham, NC 27703   *
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 13:59:19 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Iztok Umek)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:59:19 -0000
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
In-Reply-To: <200211191316.IAA16952@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>
References: <200211191316.IAA16952@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>
Message-ID: <20021119145919.ghvpnc@ice.dergan.si.dergan.net>

Tom Felbinger <Tom.Felbinger@synopsys.com> said:


> We currently run Redhat 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 as well as Solaris 7 and 8.
>
> In my opinion, the following is the most accurate statement:
>
> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly less reliable than Solaris.
> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat less reliable than Solaris.
> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is just as reliable as Solaris.
> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat more reliable than Solaris.
> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly more reliable than Solaris.

On the same hardware? You are running Linux on SUN hardware or Solaris on x86
hardware? Or do you run Linux on x86 and SUN on some EXXXXX systems?

--
Iztok Umek
Smart Information Consulting
CCSA/CCSE, SCSA/SCNA, GISO


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 14:12:40 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Tom Felbinger)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:12:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
Message-ID: <200211191412.JAA23350@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>

No, not the same h/w.

Linux on Intel CPU's.  Solaris on UltraSparc CPU's.  Varying models and 
configurations for both h/w classes.

Sorry for the confusion.

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> > ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat more reliable than Solaris.
> > ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly more reliable than Solaris.
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 14:23:36 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (John Turner)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:23:36 -0500
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
In-Reply-To: <200211191412.JAA23350@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>
Message-ID: <7DC34456-FBCA-11D6-83C5-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>

For the most part I would say that Sun hardware will be more reliable 
than Intel PC hardware no matter what OS you are running on it. You 
have to figure that you are paying more money for that added 
reliability. For the most part I have not had trouble with PC hardware 
running Linux, but then again I have never seen it running places at 
the same scale as Sun hardware.

John

On Tuesday, November 19, 2002, at 09:12 AM, Tom Felbinger wrote:

>
> No, not the same h/w.
>
> Linux on Intel CPU's.  Solaris on UltraSparc CPU's.  Varying models and
> configurations for both h/w classes.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
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>>> We currently run Redhat 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 as well as Solaris 7 and 8.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, the following is the most accurate statement:
>>>
>>> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly less reliable than Solaris.
>>> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat less reliable than Solaris.
>>> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is just as reliable as Solaris.
>>> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is somewhat more reliable than Solaris.
>>> ( ) Redhat Linux 7.X is significantly more reliable than Solaris.
>>
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 15:01:22 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Iztok Umek)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:01:22 -0000
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
In-Reply-To: <200211191412.JAA23350@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>
References: <200211191412.JAA23350@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com>
Message-ID: <20021119160122.a18i4q@ice.dergan.si.dergan.net>

Tom Felbinger <Tom.Felbinger@synopsys.com> said:

>
> No, not the same h/w.
>
> Linux on Intel CPU's.  Solaris on UltraSparc CPU's.  Varying models and
> configurations for both h/w classes.

Considering you compare apples and oranges, then I hope you don't expect too
much from this.

In my experience stability is affected with hardware. I am running Linux and
Solaris and would say they are about the same regarding stability. Now, have in
mind that Linux kernel threading is still not there with Solairs.

--
Iztok Umek
Smart Information Consulting
CCSA/CCSE, SCSA/SCNA, GISO


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 19 15:18:03 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Mike Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:18:03 -0500
Subject: Linux .vs. Solaris reliability
In-Reply-To: <7DC34456-FBCA-11D6-83C5-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
References: <200211191412.JAA23350@watchdog.rtp.avanticorp.com> <7DC34456-FBCA-11D6-83C5-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
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> than Intel PC hardware no matter what OS you are running on it. You=20
> have to figure that you are paying more money for that added=20
> reliability. For the most part I have not had trouble with PC hardware=20
> running Linux, but then again I have never seen it running places at=20
> the same scale as Sun hardware.

I've gotta agree, here.  The advantage of PC hardware is that it's
cheap, which makes it disposable.  Sun hardware is some solid stuff, and
will likely last longer.  You'll also find cool features like alternate
pathing and hot swap cards/memory/CPU that you don't get in PC stuff.

So, as you know, you're comparing apples to oranges.  I can't really say
Solaris is any more or less stable than, say, Red Hat (or Debian), but
Sun hardware is, in general, going to be more stable than PC stuff.

Of course, you never mentioned your price point.

Mike
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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 20 16:46:35 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Iztok Umek)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:46:35 -0000
Subject: SUN and EMC2 CLARiiON?
Message-ID: <20021120174635.1j51aw3@ice.dergan.si.dergan.net>

Hello!

Anyone has experience setting SUN (e250) and SMC2 CLARiiON devices (fiber
channel)?

My configuration is SUN E250 (two of them) with two CLARiiON devices. When I
plug the devices in the SUN and boot it will not boot it will stop at ok prompt.
If I type \"boot -r\" it will give me \"Memory Address not Aligned\" error the
first time and \"Fast Data Access MMU Miss\" on subsequent retries of \"boot
-r\".

Any idea?

Regards,
      Iztok

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 20 17:02:55 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (James Brigman)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:02:55 -0500
Subject: SUN and EMC2 CLARiiON?
In-Reply-To: <20021120174635.1j51aw3@ice.dergan.si.dergan.net>
Message-ID: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDIENMCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>

Iztok;

There's an entire suite of tools and drivers you need to get in order to get
the Sun box to see the Clariion, because the Clariion uses the concept of
"luns", which are not native to Solaris. (Well, they might be now, but not
the last time I did this...)

Before installation, a boot-reconfigure will not help you to see the drives,
because all you can see from the Sun box are the controllers for the
Clariion unit. The Sun box will try to talk to the controllers, but get back
something it can't understand when it does.

When you install the clariion drivers, the devices created are pseudo
devices so the Sun box can see the target:lun. In fact, this is a "feature"
of using the Clariion with the Sun box and the pseudo-drivers: you can never
do a boot -r or reconfigure all the drives because it'll destroy the pseudo
drivers for the Clariion. Re-installation of the Clariion drivers must be an
explicitly stated component of the disaster recovery plan for the server.
You might be able to burn a disk image to tape or whatever, but you cannot
use that image if the disk configuration of the server changes, because the
lun construction for the Clariion unit will be different if the devices on
the Sun server change.

It's possible that some clever people may have posted the install process on
the 'net somewhere, but it's not trivial. If it makes you feel any better,
connecting a Clariion to a sun box isn't considered a typical "user
function". I had to get factory training to do it and the last time I was
around one, Clariion did the install themselves anyway, because the NT-based
monitoring console for the clariion was new since I'd been trained.

JKB


> Anyone has experience setting SUN (e250) and SMC2 CLARiiON devices (fiber
> channel)?
>
> My configuration is SUN E250 (two of them) with two CLARiiON
> devices. When I
> plug the devices in the SUN and boot it will not boot it will
> stop at ok prompt.
> If I type \"boot -r\" it will give me \"Memory Address not
> Aligned\" error the
> first time and \"Fast Data Access MMU Miss\" on subsequent
> retries of \"boot
> -r\".
>
> Any idea?
>
> Regards,
>       Iztok



From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 20 19:23:13 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Iztok Umek)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:23:13 -0000
Subject: SUN and EMC2 CLARiiON?
In-Reply-To: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDIENMCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>
References: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDIENMCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021120202313.50ytuw@ice.dergan.si.dergan.net>


> It\'s possible that some clever people may have posted the install process on
> the \'net somewhere, but it\'s not trivial. If it makes you feel any better,
> connecting a Clariion to a sun box isn\'t considered a typical \"user
> function\". I had to get factory training to do it and the last time I was
> around one, Clariion did the install themselves anyway, because the NT-based
> monitoring console for the clariion was new since I\'d been trained.

Eh. I've "inherited" this Clariions and e250s. People involved "has left the
building". And hardware itself was bought from a company that went with the
bubble burst...

I tried to follow the instructions in the book but no luck.

Basic thing I've tried was:

1. Boot with storage not attached.
2. Installed drivers for Clariion
3. Installed some EMC tools (navisphere)
4. Booted (w/o -r this time)

Still doesn't work.

Eh, guess I am going back to the drawing board :( (never worked with Clariion at
this stage - the installation - before.







From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Sun Nov 24 19:31:06 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:31:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: looking to setup a wifi network
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211241106270.28378-100000@www.wm7d.net>

The situation:

	I would like to setup a connection to the internet for a random
group of people (a group of about 500 amateur astronomers who stand out in
a large cold field all night for a week looking at the stars and who sleep
most of the day), who get together once a year.

	I'm thinking of a laptop acting as a dhcpd/NAT box/squid connected
to the internet by ppp 56k modem (I would set this up on one of my random
linux boxes). Because the people are dispersed, running cables and hubs
will be expensive, and it seems simplest to expect people to have wifi
cards. I expect the first time to have a max of 50 people who want to try
this. (many people have computers to control their scopes, some will want
to keep up with e-mail and want to look at weather forecasts - to see
cloud cover etc). Since we're out in the styx, organisers will want to
exchange e-mail with people coming from afar.

What I want to know:

since the setup will be only used once a year, I would like the hardware
to at least be useable (not obsolete) for 5yrs. (I also would like this to
be as cheap as possible). I understand new wireless cards are coming out
at 2.4GHz. A they going to obsolete current cards in a year or 2?

Is the wireless card at the NAT router/squid I'm setting up any different
to the wireless cards that the people in the field will be using? ie do
wifi cards peer with each other (like ethernet cards do), or is it more
like ethernet cables, where the cable attached at one end to a NIC has to
connect at the other end to a hub/switch?

I understand that recently (whatever that means) that wifi cards are using
an agreed protocol and that cards from different manufacturers can now
talk to each other. If I used one of these cards, what percentage of
random people might I expect to be using the older cards and not be able
to connect to my setup?

I expect that if these is technically feasible and cheap enough, that I'd
announce ahead of time that the event would have internet connectivity
that people would need to bring a wifi card with such and such specs.

Thanks Joe

-- 
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
mailto:jmack@wm7d.net azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Sun Nov 24 23:31:59 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Bryan C. Andregg)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:31:59 -0500
Subject: looking to setup a wifi network
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211241106270.28378-100000@www.wm7d.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211241106270.28378-100000@www.wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <20021124233159.GC12960@loopback.net>

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On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 11:31:06AM -0800, Joseph Mack NA3T mailed:
> since the setup will be only used once a year, I would like the hardware
> to at least be useable (not obsolete) for 5yrs. (I also would like this to
> be as cheap as possible). I understand new wireless cards are coming out
> at 2.4GHz. A they going to obsolete current cards in a year or 2?

This is hard to say. The current standard 802.11 has three branchs: 'a', wh=
ich
is older and you don't need to worry about, 'b' which is the current default
standard (128k encryption possible, 200 m coverage, 11 Mbit) think airport
starbucks every damn card in use these days, and 'g' the new standard which
offers much faster connectivity but over much lower distances. This is the =
new
set of gear linksys has out recently. This doesn't include 'i' which is mea=
nt
to improve security and doesn't really fit with anything else yet.

For the next year, year-and-a-half, 'b' standard equipment will still be the
default. I suspect after that 'g' standard equipment will become more commo=
n.
So, I'd suggest buying cheap 'b' standard equipment and expect to replace i=
t,
or go with some of the new 'g' gear that claims to be backward compatible a=
t a
greater price (Linksys says their stuff is, but I haven't seena  release
date).

> Is the wireless card at the NAT router/squid I'm setting up any different
> to the wireless cards that the people in the field will be using? ie do
> wifi cards peer with each other (like ethernet cards do), or is it more
> like ethernet cables, where the cable attached at one end to a NIC has to
> connect at the other end to a hub/switch?

A wireless card just like an ethernet card, it has to speak the hardware le=
vel
standard and after that everything is up to the OS. So, get equipment that
meets the 802.11 standard of choice and plug it in.

> I understand that recently (whatever that means) that wifi cards are using
> an agreed protocol and that cards from different manufacturers can now
> talk to each other. If I used one of these cards, what percentage of
> random people might I expect to be using the older cards and not be able
> to connect to my setup?

Less that 1% of people are going to have pre standard cards. Anyone who did
would most likely be a super wireless wonk and have a more current card as
well. They just aren't that expensive anymore.
=20
--=20
  Bryan C. Andregg
    http://www.loopback.net

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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 25 00:28:32 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Tanner Lovelace)
Date: 24 Nov 2002 19:28:32 -0500
Subject: looking to setup a wifi network
In-Reply-To: <20021124233159.GC12960@loopback.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0211241106270.28378-100000@www.wm7d.net>
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On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 18:31, Bryan C. Andregg wrote:

> This is hard to say. The current standard 802.11 has three branchs: 'a', =
which
> is older and you don't need to worry about,=20

I would disagree that you don't need to worry about 'a'.  I believe you
may be referring to just straight 802.11, which is quite old and no one
is doing anything with it anymore.  'a', however, is quite a different
beast.  While 'b' and 'g' operate in the 2.4 GHz band, 'a' operates
in the 5 GHz band at much higher data rates (on the order of 50 Mbps,
as opposed to 'b' which is goes at 11 Mbps).  In addition, many
manufacturers are starting to come out with dual band equipment right
now that will do both 'a' and 'b'.  I would personally suggest going
with something like that because, although 'b' is the current standard,
there is much more room to grow in the 5GHz band that 'a' operates on.
I believe that 'g' is doomed to not work all that well because the=20
2.4GHz band is just way too crowded (just try operating 802.11b and
a 2.4GHz phone at the same time).  By going with a dual band access
point, people with either wireless card will be able to connect.

Cheers,
Tanner Lovelace


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From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 25 06:55:34 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (James Brigman)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:55:34 -0500
Subject: Seeing windows shares on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <1038184112.7044.4.camel@kendrick.house.wayfarer.org>
Message-ID: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDAEPNCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>

Someone at one of the NC*SA meetings asked me if there was a way to see
Windows shared disk space on a UNIX box. This was a surprising question to
me, as I have never thought it important. However, I suppose it's possible
that it could be important in the unusual situation of having Windows
systems only as servers and a few UNIX systems as desktops.

It's not quite the same as SAMBA: it's the reverse. While this might appear
to be a matter of semantics, it isn't. My head started to hurt wondering why
it couldn't be just a semantic issue....

Anyway, I found a product that does just this:

http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity-light/index.html

And the link I found it with was on:

http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/sun-stuff.html

Hope this helps;
JKB



From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Mon Nov 25 13:05:27 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:05:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Seeing windows shares on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <HKENJGKDNGBALFIIKPBDAEPNCHAA.jbrigman@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250757110.19103-100000@chaos.egr.duke.edu>

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 at 1:55am, James Brigman wrote

> Someone at one of the NC*SA meetings asked me if there was a way to see
> Windows shared disk space on a UNIX box. This was a surprising question to
> me, as I have never thought it important. However, I suppose it's possible
> that it could be important in the unusual situation of having Windows
> systems only as servers and a few UNIX systems as desktops.
> 
> It's not quite the same as SAMBA: it's the reverse. While this might appear
> to be a matter of semantics, it isn't. My head started to hurt wondering why
> it couldn't be just a semantic issue....

Actually, Samba can still be the answer.  On Linux, one can simply 'mount 
-t smbfs' Windows shares.  Unfortuntaly, this looks (from the smbmount(8) 
man page on the Samba site) to be Linux specific.  For other *nixs, there 
is smbclient, which offers an ftp like interface to windows shares.

-- 
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 26 04:52:03 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (John Turner)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:52:03 -0500
Subject: Amanda support and backup servers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250757110.19103-100000@chaos.egr.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <CE328004-00FA-11D7-A46B-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>

I am in search of a company that provides or can provide support for 
the Amanda backup software. Not looking for help setting up, but 
someone that the company can use for support if then decide to give me 
the boot.

Right now they are looking at products from BakBone, Legato, Veritas, 
Tivoli so I would be interested in knowing what other local companies 
are using for network backups.

Thanks,
John


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 26 05:05:47 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Scott Russell)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:05:47 -0500
Subject: Amanda support and backup servers
In-Reply-To: <CE328004-00FA-11D7-A46B-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250757110.19103-100000@chaos.egr.duke.edu> <CE328004-00FA-11D7-A46B-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021126050547.GA5182@ipass.net>

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:52:03PM -0500, John Turner wrote:
 
> Right now they are looking at products from BakBone, Legato, Veritas, 
> Tivoli so I would be interested in knowing what other local companies 
> are using for network backups.

For what it's worth, we use Legato Networker 6.1.2 on Red Hat 7.3 right now.
I looked at our in house TSM/ADSM solution but at the time there was no
Linux server and we really felt that it would be wrong to run a Windows box
given the focus of our group. 

Networker has been flawless for us with both IBM DLT7000 drives and the IBM
LTO 3600 tape lib. I did look at Amanda and Arkia (sp?) about two years ago
when we also looked at Legato and my impression then was that they wouldn't
scale for our predicted growth. The down side to Networker is that it seems
very pricey to me. Support from Legato has been good for me but it's hard to
find anyone who really has solid Linux knowledge it seems. Most are focused
on other flavors of UNIX.

-- 
  Scott
  Do not trifle with me, I have eaten 104 brains.


From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 26 11:54:55 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (John Beimler)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 06:54:55 -0500
Subject: Amanda support and backup servers
In-Reply-To: <20021126050547.GA5182@ipass.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211250757110.19103-100000@chaos.egr.duke.edu>
 <CE328004-00FA-11D7-A46B-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
 <20021126050547.GA5182@ipass.net>
Message-ID: <1038311695.7220.6.camel@tesla>

On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:52:03PM -0500, John Turner wrote:
> Right now they are looking at products from BakBone, Legato, Veritas, 
> Tivoli so I would be interested in knowing what other local companies 
> are using for network backups.

I've worked with NetBackup for the last three years, and have been
impressed by it even before I began working for VERITAS.  In a large
enterprise set up it can be difficult to set up, but otherwise it is a
great product and has a huge list of supported clients.  I was very
happy with the support I received as a customer.

john

From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Tue Nov 26 16:03:06 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Galen Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:03:06 -0500
Subject: Amanda support and backup servers
References: <CE328004-00FA-11D7-A46B-000393C455D6@nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3DE39B3A.80807@trantor.org>

John Turner wrote:

> I am in search of a company that provides or can provide support for 
> the Amanda backup software. Not looking for help setting up, but 
> someone that the company can use for support if then decide to give me 
> the boot.
>
> Right now they are looking at products from BakBone, Legato, Veritas, 
> Tivoli so I would be interested in knowing what other local companies 
> are using for network backups.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org
> http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-discussion

Hi John,

  I doubt you'll find a company that will support Amanda.  Someone 
recently posted to the Amanda list looking for that same thing (you 
perhaps).  I've used Amanda for about 4 months now and think it rocks. 
 The best I can recommend is to point them at the mailing list since it 
gives better support than just about any commercial product out there.  

=G=



From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org  Wed Nov 27 08:00:51 2002
From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Stephen P. Schaefer)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 03:00:51 -0500
Subject: Amanda support and backup servers
Message-ID: <3DE47BB3.7060300@acm.org>

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Dear Mr. Turner:

~    I'll support Amanda for you.  Please contact me to discuss a
contract.  If you're uncomfortable dealing with an individual, I'm aware
of a couple companies that would be able to provide a group of folks
able to provide highly competent support - but contact me privately, and
let's see what we can put together.

~    - Stephen P. Schaefer

John Turner wrote:

I am in search of a company that provides or can provide support for
the Amanda backup software. Not looking for help setting up, but
someone that the company can use for support if then decide to give me
the boot.

Right now they are looking at products from BakBone, Legato, Veritas,
Tivoli so I would be interested in knowing what other local companies
are using for network backups.

Thanks,
John



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