From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Thu Sep 5 22:03:38 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Stacy Doster) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:03:38 -0400 Subject: Lulu Tech Circus- Raleigh, NC Message-ID: <001701c2551f$b54af1d0$9b00a8c0@ibmz9dou7sraeh> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254FE.2E3951D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NC System Administrators- I don't want to spam your list, but I thought an upcoming technology event might be worth some interest to most of the folks in the group. Lulu Tech Circus (http://www.techcircus.com ), the latest endeavor of Red Hat co-founder Bob Young, is coming to Raleigh, NC, Sept 27-29th. Lulu Tech Circus is a live, interactive, hand-on event for technology enthusiasts- a swap meet, LAN tournaments, Robot building, etc. More information about some of the specific goings-on at the circus can be found at http://www.techcircus.com/Raleigh2002/experiences.php Stop by or nominate someone you know in the Raleigh area for The Lulus. Lulus will be given to the three winning uber-geeks. First prize is a trip for two to Kennedy Space Center. Visit http://www/techcircus.com/lulus I'm not subscribing to receive messages from this list, so if you have any questions please contact me at stacy@hatsoff.net Best, Stacy ----------- Stacy Doster Hats Off Communications, Inc. 919.870.6977 Launches, Events, Projects.We get it done! ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254FE.2E3951D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Stop by or nominate someone you know in the = Raleigh area for The Lulus. Lulus will be given to the three winning uber-geeks. First prize is a trip for two = to Kennedy = Space = Center. Visit = http://www/techcircus.com/lulus<= /a>

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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C254FE.2E3951D0-- From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Mon Sep 9 18:19:35 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Joseph Mack) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:19:35 -0400 Subject: NC*SA Meeting - Monday, September 9th - Bare Metal Restore (reminder) Message-ID: <3D7CD827.58B32889@epa.gov> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8C7AF8F699DB46FF48B3CACE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe -- Joseph Mack PhD, Senior Systems Engineer, Lockheed Martin contractor to the National Environmental Supercomputer Center, mailto:mack.joseph@epa.gov ph# 919-541-0007, RTP, NC, USA --------------8C7AF8F699DB46FF48B3CACE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="ncsa.announce" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ncsa.announce" The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators organization (NC*SA) is upcoming. Details about the meeting and directions are provided in this note. We hope to see you there! NC*SA General Meeting 6:00 pm, Monday, September 9th, 2002 Dreyfus Laboratory Research Triangle Institute Research Triangle Park, NC (directions below) Topic: Bare Metal Restore Speaker: Gray Clark, Senior Sales Engineer, VERITAS Software ============================== Abstract: Bare Metal Restore simplifies and streamlines the server recovery process for VERITAS NetBackup, making it unnecessary to manually reinstall operating systems or configure hardware. With a single command, complete server restores can be accomplished in a fraction of the time without extensive training or tedious administration. One solution addresses the demands of a variety of platforms, eliminating the need for customized restore procedures on each platform. Server restores will be faster, easier, and more successful, getting your business back online as soon as possible. In this session - we will provide a high level overview of how VERITAS Bare Metal Restore works - and give you a live demonstration of the product. Bio: Gray Clark, Senior Sales Engineer, VERITAS Software * 7 years experience in supercomputer and open systems arena * worked with government and commercial accounts in DC area (Pentagon, American OnLine) * worked with many banks in Richmond and Charlotte (First Union/Wachovia, Signet, Capital One) * worked with Silicon Graphics/Cray Research for 4 years in Support and Implementation as UNIX Engineer * worked with Strategic Technologies 2 years in Professional Services group in Pre-Sales and Implementation using VERITAS and Sun technologies and as Project Manager * worked with VERITAS as Pre-Sales SE supporting Carolinas Sales Reps in major Commercial accounts --Backup, Clustering and storage virtualization specialties ============================== Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening and/or system administration. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions please contact the Steering Committee at: ncsa-steer@ncsysadmin.org ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, please see our web site at http://www.ncsysadmin.org/ We have several usually-low-volume mailing lists that you can join: ncsa-discussion .. general discussion ncsa-announce .... meeting announcements ncsa-jobs ........ employment opportunities ncsa-steer ....... steering committee These are currently run on a Mailman list manager at ncsysadmin.org - please see this page on our web site for more information about these lists: http://www.ncsysadmin.org/lists.html (Please note, if you are a member of sage-members@usenix.org, you will also get a copy of these announcements. We cannot unsubscribe you from that list.) ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute: Directions to Research Triangle Institute See also a map to the meeting place. >From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. >From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. >From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. A map of RTI is available at http://www.rti.org/images/campus.gif Enter through the glass doors at the front; all of the doors except one will be locked, but one will be open for our access. Walk through the lobby, go straight out the glass doors, across the patio, and straight into Dreyfus Auditorium. --------------8C7AF8F699DB46FF48B3CACE-- From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Wed Sep 18 17:10:08 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Clark, Steve) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:10:08 -0400 Subject: Position available: HP-UX admin Message-ID: <73358C6E60703044840B2D3482F9103E03F2E2D9@exchange01.carolinaholdings.com> Hello fellow SA's. We are expanding our SA staff. We are looking to full this position within the next two weeks. Please steer all correspondence or questions to me. ( you can check out the company at www.carolinaholdings.com ) Steve Clark Carolina Holdings Inc 919 431-1075 Position Statement: Responsible for day-to-day operations, monitoring, enhancement, and upgrading/replacing of UNIX computer systems, as well as the enterprise applications and databases used on those systems. This position will have exposure to many IT system functions within the company. Position Duties: 1) Work with team of UNIX System Administrators to provide continual system coverage for expanding corporate needs 2) Monitor all current ERP systems supporting NxTrend's Trend application, PROGRESS database on daily basis; includes performance metrics reporting to identify system bottlenecks. 3) Review hardware and internal network technology and provide recommendations for upgrade paths and long-term needs. 4) Utilize standard HP system packages such as MC ServiceGuard, HP OpenView suite, including ITO, HP HAO, HP OmniBack II 5) Support systems along with HP CSS Center, using HP standard reporting mechanisms 6) Perform necessary database tasks, including space allocation and database de-fragmentation 7) Utilize and adhere to current best practices standards of administration 8) Support and maintain change management procedures for Trend and CHI application code within all systems and environments. 9) Procure, install, test, and maintain required third-party software systems that enhance ERP solution as well as operating systems and databases. a) VSI-Fax, DoubleVision, UniQ Print Spooler, Samba b) Electronic forms design including fax and laser printer overlays 10) Maintain acceptable revision or version level of all system native or third party installed software. 11) Assist in development and maintenance of corporate IT disaster recovery plans 12) Provide regular updates to Manager on all projects and tasks 13) Assist Manager in developing long-range hardware plans 14) Develop and maintain a productive working relationship with personnel across several departments 15) Recommend changes and provide alternative approaches for workability and economic feasibility. 16) Review policies, procedures and documentation and assures they are complete and acceptable and in accordance with standards. 17) Provide documentation of systems, adhering to and developing new standards, utilizing company Intranet. 18) Perform duties when and as needed, providing coverage for 24x7 operation Required Skills/Experience: 1) 5 to 7 years of system administration experience. a) UNIX - HP UX 11.0 or 11.i b) Disk storage technologies i) HP XP512 (Hitachi - preferred) or EMC Symmetrix 2) 3 to 4 years' experience on HP 9000 server hardware a) L-class, N-class, V-class b) Client-server application/database environment 3) General working knowledge of networks 4) 2 to 3 years of database experience. a) PROGRESS RDBMS v8.x or v9.x preferred 5) MS Windows environment experience a) NT, 95/98/2000/XP, Project, Visio, Office 6) Excellent interpersonal skills. 7) Must have the ability to work well with people from many different disciplines with varying degrees of technical experience. 8) Demonstrate ability to handle multiple simultaneous projects. 9) Excellent oral and written communication skills. 10) 4 year degree in computer-related field. Organizational Relationships: 1) Unix System Administrator reports directly to the Manager, Enterprise Operations. 2) Manager reports directly to VP of Information Technology. 3) VP reports to Chief Financial Officer <<...OLE_Obj...>> From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Thu Sep 26 17:18:31 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Liyun Yu) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:18:31 -0400 Subject: Exchange Server 5.5 Question Message-ID: <3D933357.157163E2@radonc.unc.edu> We have a email problem with one organization where they just hired a new system admin and know only a very little about Exchange server 5.5 and its setup. I am not Exchange expert either. We can reach their exchange server without any problem via our sendmail server. But everytime when their user send us email, we got the error message like this: sendmail[216]: warning: can't verify hostname: gethostbyname(listserv.astro.org) failed My nslookup showed that this domain does not exist. But the problem is that the listserv.astro.org is actually not their server at all. Their server is xserver.astro.org and we use that server sent email OK. Why we did not get the email address like normal email messages such as @astro.org but simply just listserv.astro.org? How to fix this problem on that Exchange 5.5 server? Thanks a lot for your reply. --Liyun -- ====++===+=+++====+++++==========+++===+===++======== Liyun Yu, Ph. D./System Administrator/Dept of Radiation Oncology UNC School of Medicine /101 Manning Drive/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7512 Office: (919) 966-7704 Ext 1 / FAX: (919) 966-7681 From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Fri Sep 27 13:36:01 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (stan briggs) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:36:01 -0400 Subject: UPDATE: North Carolina System Administrators table staff In-Reply-To: <20020927120630.30921.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c26622$6ffedc90$6a01a8c0@stanbriggs.com> all, 1. i am bringing my two tables and a couple of chairs. 1.1 thanks, james, for including yo'self. 1.2 i am, also, bringing a couple of extension cords and a power strip. 2. if someone could make a single printed page that has the 'About' stuff from our web page at least we'll have something to hand to people (don't forget the catchy little phrase about who we are at the top of the home page). if your work site could see fit to let us make a hundred copies or so then i believe that will suffice. if these pages can make it to the site today then call me on my mobile phone (919-669-4681) and i'll figure out how to get you inside. 3. the schedule is below for those volunteers that have stepped up to the plate. thanks to all: Friday, 12 noon - 3 pm : stan briggs Friday, 12 noon - 9 pm : james brigman Saturday, 10 am - 9 pm : Stephen P. Schaefer Saturday, 10 am - 9 pm : Hunter Matthews Sunday, 10 am - 2 pm : Liyun Lu Sunday, 2 pm - 6 pm : Stephen P. Schaefer 4. i'm cc'ing -discussion this time to see if we get any new volunteers. if anyone can spontaneously (sp?) make it i am sure that anyone would appreciate an hour or two breather. you'll have to figure out how to get inside to us but i bet you can figure something creative out. thanks, stan Stan B. Briggs -----Original Message----- From: ncsa-steer-admin@ncsysadmin.org [mailto:ncsa-steer-admin@ncsysadmin.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Schaefer Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:07 AM To: ncsa-steer@ncsysadmin.org Subject: Re: North Carolina System Administrators table staff I infer that there will be an outlet, but you'll need to bring your own charger. I'm putting off the laptop purchase until I have a salary I can depend on, so please bring yours. - Stephen --- Hunter Matthews wrote: > If I'm gonna be there all day saturday, I've got to > have power for my > laptop - > > are you planning on bringing one, or should I (don't > need two...) > > > > On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 16:40, Liyun Yu wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, > > > > I had a hard time to open your previous forward > message. > > > > Liyun > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ncsa-steer mailing list > > ncsa-steer@ncsysadmin.org > > > http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-steer > > > > > -- > Hunter Matthews Unix / > Network Administrator > Office: BioScience 145/244 Duke Univ. > Biology Department > Key: F0F88438 / FFB5 34C0 B350 99A4 BB02 9779 A5DB > 8B09 F0F8 8438 > Never take candy from strangers. Especially on the > internet. > > _______________________________________________ > ncsa-steer mailing list > ncsa-steer@ncsysadmin.org > http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-steer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ ncsa-steer mailing list ncsa-steer@ncsysadmin.org http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-steer From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sat Sep 28 12:43:00 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Lisa C. Boyd) Date: 28 Sep 2002 07:43:00 -0400 Subject: UPDATE: North Carolina System Administrators table staff In-Reply-To: <001301c26622$6ffedc90$6a01a8c0@stanbriggs.com> References: <001301c26622$6ffedc90$6a01a8c0@stanbriggs.com> Message-ID: <1033213380.25431.20.camel@jackrabbit> Hi all! I'm a lurker on this list and one of the circus staff. You probably have already figured out the answers to this since you've been at the show a day :) There are tables/chairs for the user groups as well as access to power and the internet. Power strips are good, but bringing your own table and chairs isn't necessary! I'm really interested in getting some feedback from those of you who attend the show - what you liked, what you didn't like, what you'd suggest for next year. The people putting this on have stressed to the staff that they want feedback and opinions! They want this to be user-oriented instead of the typical trade show where it's about how much the exhibitor pays for the booth up front. So if you don't mind shooting me an email - I'd appreciate it! Lisa Boyd From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sat Sep 28 13:47:24 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Jim Ray) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:47:24 -0400 Subject: UPDATE: North Carolina System Administrators table staff Message-ID: <27E07D7E7F548C4A95EEAC2059246FCEA1F8@turtle.terrapinjunction.com> Kudos to the Lulu folks for their efforts! As for feedback, well, an air conditioned building would have been helpful yesterday. Having enough passes for volunteer-based user groups to staff tables with two people instead of one would also be nice. Great job, though. The real question is whether or not Stan is going to make public those pictures from yesterday with robot lady :-) Seeya, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Lisa C. Boyd [mailto:lcboyd@nc.rr.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:43 AM To: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Subject: Re: UPDATE: North Carolina System Administrators table staff Hi all! I'm a lurker on this list and one of the circus staff. You probably have already figured out the answers to this since you've been at the show a day :) There are tables/chairs for the user groups as well as access to power and the internet. Power strips are good, but bringing your own table and chairs isn't necessary! I'm really interested in getting some feedback from those of you who attend the show - what you liked, what you didn't like, what you'd suggest for next year. The people putting this on have stressed to the staff that they want feedback and opinions! They want this to be user-oriented instead of the typical trade show where it's about how much the exhibitor pays for the booth up front. So if you don't mind shooting me an email - I'd appreciate it! Lisa Boyd _______________________________________________ ncsa-discussion mailing list ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org http://www.ncsysadmin.org/mailman/listinfo/ncsa-discussion From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sat Sep 28 16:01:25 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (James Brigman) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:01:25 -0400 Subject: Lulu Tech Circus: A Review In-Reply-To: <001301c26622$6ffedc90$6a01a8c0@stanbriggs.com> Message-ID: Folks; I was at the Lulu Tech Circus on Friday so I thought I'd send you all a bit of a review. I have no connection to the Circus itself and I don't think I have any prejudice, pro or con, regarding the event. I apologize in advance if this comes across as spam, my intent is merely to report and provide information. My point in sending this message to you is simply to say that we (NC*SA) had a table there and if you yourself are debating on whether or not to go, this review might help you decide. There is a fair amount of interesting stuff to see. If you want to find out about some of our "sister" organizations, (TNTUG, TriLUG, Triangle Lotus Users' Group and the IEEE group) it's a great place to go and do that all at one time. There is a good assortment of somewhat-technical seminars put on by the Lulu people. The vendors seemed interesting and able to talk about their products. There is a LOT of robot stuff. So, in numeric bullets, here's my take: 1) You pay $20 and it gets you a paper armband that's good for the whole day. There's some deal about buying "peanuts", an extra cost item, which I didn't pay any attention to. If you have been planning all along to go, do not go toward the end of the day: you'll miss the seminars and not get the value back out of your $20. I think the admission armband is good all day, so better to go early and give yourself enough time to take advantage. 2) The only food vending inside is the cafeteria that's built-into the Jim Graham (JG) building. I've only been in there once or twice and can't say if it's good or bad. If you (or your kids) have a restaurant or fastfood place you really like, you might go there beforehand or plan to go right after. 3) It's hot. The Jim Graham building is not air conditioned, so wear shorts and a comfortable, lightweight shirt. They open at 10am, so if you want to go, do so as early as possible. Tomorrow (Saturday) might be a good day if it's going to be cool or overcast. 4) The show itself seems to be well-staged. There's lots of very helpful but busy Lulu staff there. The decorations of the building are nice, considering the JG building is primarily used to show livestock, gun shows and big swapmeets. The strategic use of the partitions to guide the crowd is good. The show is both "larger than expected" and "smaller than expected". It's smaller in physical size because they did not totally fill the entire Jim Graham building, more like 2/3rds. However, it's larger in participation by local and national vendors than I expected. Mars Music has a well-staged "music room". WRAL has two big flat-screen HDTV's which are spectactular. Lego is there in a big way with their Mindstorms product. If you or your kids like robots, there are many of them there, and you can see a "battlebots-style" robot up-close. If you have teenage kids who are into the newer, complicated first-person-shooters, they will enjoy the Tech Circus. They have an Unreal Tournament-style setup that got high marks from my kids, it was an "arena" of what looked like maybe 20-or-so computers set up and everyone played. The winning player I overheard won a video card, but the play is brutal. 5) There's lots of robot-oriented stuff. I mentioned Lego Mindstorms, they have a big display and you can buy that product at the Lulu Bazaar. I saw at least one "triangle robot group" and what looked like a school group. (Students and teachers got in free on Friday, a VERY nice nod for Bob Young to make in the direction of the schools.) The "triangle robot group" has one robot that bashes old computer and office equipment inside a floor ring, which is actually more entertaining than you'd think, like the different robot rockem-sockem shows on TV. Anyone who's been abused by a piece of office equipment, particularly a FAX machine, will get a kick out of seeing one destroyed by a robot. I don't know if they let you actually drive the robot or not, I didn't see any attendees doing that. 6) The Lulu Bazaar had some very interesting things for sale, but the prices seemed high to me. $32 each for juggling pins (ie: a set of three would cost $96), $8/each for juggling balls. They had a small selection of O'reilly books (which I didn't price-check) and you can get Robert Young's "Under the Radar" book for free. They also had the Sharp Zaurus for sale (the Linux-running PDA) for $450. They did have a really neat little BASIC-stamp robot kit (which included a TV-style remote control) for $59 that looked very interesting. I was extremely surprised to see very, very little participation by computer parts shops. (For example, I did not see Intrex there.) I saw no computer components at all for sale. I hoped to have the opportunity to shop parts at computer-show prices, but that wasn't at all what the show is about. 7) Giveaways are very important, and there were some good giveaways. Mars Music had decent tee shirts, but they were all in XL size, I think. I saw people carrying around goodie bags that seemed to have a fair amount of stuff in 'em. I got free CD copies of the "Sun ONE Starter Kit" (a J2EE developer kit) and IBM "developerWorks" (WebSphere and DB2) software. These were trial versions of "portal development kits" that look pretty good. You may also be able to get these packages from http://www.sun.com/sosftware/sunone/starterkit or http://ibm.com/developerWorks/linux, but if you have a dial-up or just don't want to do the download, go quickly over to the user group tables to get your free copies when you get there. 8) I didn't get to sit in on any seminars, but our table is right across from one seminar, so I got to overhear three of them and they were good. There were four across from me today, each about an hour or more in length. They had three "classrooms" with seminars going simultaneously. They give you a program booklet when you walk in from which you can pick which seminars to go see. The seminars which incorporate computers are very well equipped. If you go and find a seminar topic which you need, you might find that a good use for admission price. 9) I watched the TriLUG guys loading Mandrake 9.0, fresh off the 'net, on one of their systems. It looked interesting enough to make me want to load it up, even though I just recently downloaded fresh RedHat 7.3. I envied the TriLUG guys their hardware: they had at least three systems to demo with. They had quite a "manly showing" there. 10) There were indeed circus aspects to the show. Typically someone would roam the floor doing a circus-style act. I saw jugglers, a unicycle rider, a person who was doing a kind of "stick juggling" and several people doing circuslike things in costumes. I could "feel" the spirit of RedHat, but other than Bob Young's free book, I didn't see any hugely overt influence. I saw one of the founding members walk quickly by the table at least once and I saw Bob Young walking around the show often. I saw two of the red Fedoras but I didn't know the wearers, they could have been RH originators, employees or just afficiondos. I did not recognize other RedHatians, although I'm sure there were probably plenty of current RH employees there in some capacity or another who I do not know. I'm proud that we (NCSA) had a table there. "Anybody who's anyone" in the triangle's technical and computer groups have tables at the show. If you are going, go by the table and say hello. I could say more, but if you hunger for more information, then take that as a sign that you should go, as this message is already much longer than I intended. :-) I am trying to report to you the happenings of what went on, not to offend or patronize any parties with this message. Bob's idea is a little different, but I do think he's on to something here. The show encapsulated not only technology with a circus-style entertainment, but it captured well the flavor of our "geek culture", and I found it refreshing and interesting. Mind you, the attendees were a big part of that flavor, and in that respect became unwitting yet vital participants in the show itself. JKB PS: Our next NC*SA meeting is Monday, October 14th at 6pm in Dreyfus and is on securing Solaris systems. See you there! From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sat Sep 28 17:25:59 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:25:59 -0400 Subject: LULU - Feedback Message-ID: <1033230359.3d95d81739460@www.flanagannc.net> I'm sitting at the TNTUG table now typing this. The Wireless access is great! I'll second the note about more than one wrist band. I haven't been able to get to that much of the other things that are going on being the only person at the table. We have gotten several folks added to the membership roster, that's great. I don't really fully understand the peanuts bit, I gather that some of the events cost extra, and you pay with peanuts. I think that may be the best balance on how to let folks come in for low cost, and pay for stuff that they use, but I haven't seen anything yet that interested me enough to pay extra. I suppose that is due to the heavy focus on entertainment for geeks, where I would be far more interested in business use of technology. It does appear that folks are enjoying themselves. Just my $.02 Kevin From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Thu Sep 26 17:04:36 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Valletta, Albert) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:04:36 -0700 Subject: Any used Sparc Stations for sale? Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know where I can get a locally available Sparc 4/5/10/20? Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------------------- Al Valletta Network Appliance, Technical Support Engineer al@netapp.com / Working hrs. 7am - 4pm EST Telephone: 919-993-5835 Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com Tech Support Hotline: 1-888-4-NETAPP From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sun Sep 29 13:23:22 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (Lisa C. Boyd) Date: 29 Sep 2002 08:23:22 -0400 Subject: LULU - Feedback In-Reply-To: <1033230359.3d95d81739460@www.flanagannc.net> References: <1033230359.3d95d81739460@www.flanagannc.net> Message-ID: <1033302202.26302.24.camel@jackrabbit> Thanks James and Kevin for giving your feedback! I'll make sure the "higher-ups" get these suggestions. To answer some of your questions about costs - the wrist band is good all weekend. That doesn't help you much if you come in today, but if you bring your old wrist band back - we'll give you a new one and you can continue on. So if you came in on Friday - paid $20 - you got to come all three days. The admission today is still going to be $20 and there are coupons in local papers. I'm not exactly sure which ones and what days, but take a look in the paper this morning before you come. The peanuts are tickets that allow you to get into experiences or classes. The experiences are different prices ranging anywhere from free to 6 peanuts. One peanut is $4. A pack of 12 peanuts is $40. Just to give you an idea, most of the classes seem to be around 3 peanuts. The 6 peanuts guy is someone who people normally pay around $500 for a half day seminar. So you get to see him for a couple of hours for $24. Not bad - if you're into 3D animation stuff. I've got to run or I'll be late getting to the show, but I'll try to stop by the tables on my break and introduce myself :) It has really been interesting meeting people who I've only "met" online through lists like these! See you at the show! Lisa B. From ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org Sun Sep 29 19:18:10 2002 From: ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org (James Brigman) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 14:18:10 -0400 Subject: UPDATE: North Carolina System Administrators table staff In-Reply-To: <001301c26622$6ffedc90$6a01a8c0@stanbriggs.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C267C3.0A258570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank You: Thanks go out to the folks who staffed the NC*SA table: > Friday, 12 noon - 3 pm : stan briggs > Friday, 12 noon - 9 pm : james brigman > Saturday, 10 am - 9 pm : Stephen P. Schaefer > Saturday, 10 am - 9 pm : Hunter Matthews > Sunday, 10 am - 2 pm : Liyun Lu > Sunday, 2 pm - 6 pm : Stephen P. Schaefer I had a great time and I hope everyone else did, it was rewarding. I feel the exposure NC*SA got was great and I sincerely hope we'll see more people at Dreyfus as a result. I was able to meet several students and professors from area schools at the event and encouraged them to join us at our meetings. I say again, I am proud of the professional "face" we presented, particularly not selling anything or advocating any particular political or O/S viewpoint. There was a camraderie between us and the other triangle organizations that I felt was very positive. I found out much more about the other groups and enjoyed meeting their people. Almost-spam moment: I've heard various viewpoints expressed in the media but this was truly an event "by geeks, for geeks". I'm sure all of us know many of the attendees as well as the fine folks who wore the yellow shirts each day. (Many of them friends from technical industries who are between jobs.) It was a great opportunity to see many other "geeks" and play with "geek toys". The Circus was a kindred event to NC*SA's mission when you measure it by the seminars presented. If one had bought the Superpass and gone to the seminars, you could make an argument that the Circus provided very significant training value for the dollar. They had well-equpped seminar areas: the computing machinery (both PC and Mac) and the hundreds of IBM monitors I saw were an impressive sight. The Unreal Tournament area did justice to the "lan party" concept of gaming. I didn't hear any of the gamers complaining. In fact, they were amazingly quiet as they lined up in droves for game after game. It was very, very much like USENIX, but without the travel and the cost, where you learn about a broad spectrum of computer-based software and hardware. Yes, there were vendors present but they were amazingly low key. To draw the value back out of the admission, one would have had to commit pretty much the entire weekend to the event. However, this event was much more like a USENIX or a LISA in that respect, just over a weekend. If you look at it from that perspective, it was a startlingly useful and relevant event for the triangle at this particular moment, when all our employers are so reluctant to send us to training. For those of us in NC*SA, that's "where the rubber hits the road" and I think all the Lulu folks did a great job. JKB ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C267C3.0A258570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank You:

Thanks = go out to=20 the folks who staffed the NC*SA table:

> Friday, 12 noon - 3 = pm =20 : stan briggs
> Friday, 12 noon - 9 pm : james = brigman
>=20 Saturday, 10 am - 9 pm : Stephen P. Schaefer
> Saturday, 10 = am - 9=20 pm : Hunter Matthews
> Sunday, 10 am - 2 = pm :=20 Liyun Lu
> Sunday, 2 pm - 6 pm : Stephen = P.=20 Schaefer

I had a great time and I hope everyone else did, it was=20 rewarding. I feel the exposure NC*SA got was great and I sincerely = hope=20 we'll see more people at Dreyfus as a result. I was able to meet several = students and professors from area schools at the event and encouraged = them to=20 join us at our meetings.

I say again, I am proud of the = professional=20 "face" we presented, particularly not selling anything or advocating any = particular political or O/S viewpoint. There was a camraderie between us = and the=20 other triangle organizations that I felt was very positive. I found out = much=20 more about the other groups and enjoyed meeting their = people.

Almost-spam = moment:

I've heard various viewpoints expressed in the media = but this=20 was truly an event "by geeks, for geeks". I'm sure all of us know many = of the=20 attendees as well as the fine folks who wore the yellow shirts each day. = (Many=20 of them friends from technical industries who are between jobs.) It was = a great=20 opportunity to see many other "geeks" and play with "geek = toys".

The=20 Circus was a kindred event to NC*SA's mission when you measure it by the = seminars presented. If one had bought the Superpass and gone to the = seminars,=20 you could make an argument that the Circus provided very significant = training=20 value for the dollar. They had well-equpped seminar areas: the computing = machinery (both PC and Mac) and the hundreds of IBM monitors I saw = were an=20 impressive sight. The Unreal Tournament area did justice to the "lan = party"=20 concept of gaming. I didn't hear any of the gamers complaining. In fact, = they=20 were amazingly quiet as they lined up in droves for game after = game.

It was very, very much like USENIX, but without = the travel=20 and the cost, where you learn about a broad spectrum of = computer-based=20 software and hardware. Yes, there were vendors present but they were = amazingly=20 low key.

To draw the value back out of the admission, one would = have had=20 to commit pretty much the entire weekend to the event. However, this = event was=20 much more like a USENIX or a LISA in that respect, just over a weekend. = If you=20 look at it from that perspective, it was a startlingly useful and = relevant event=20 for the triangle at this particular moment, when all our employers are = so=20 reluctant to send us to training. For those of us = in NC*SA,=20 that's "where the rubber hits the road" and I think all the Lulu folks = did a=20 great job.

JKB
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