From bradoaks at gmail.com  Sun Jun  3 21:44:43 2007
From: bradoaks at gmail.com (Brad Oaks)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:44:43 -0400
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Fwd: Raleigh Perl Mongers special meeting 7:15pm
	Monday June 4th on Smolder
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Howdy NC*SA and any of you NCSU LUG folks still in town,

I hope this announcement is not too Off Topic for you.  But we don't
often have out of town speakers, and we expect this to be a good one.
If you're into testing or into Perl, come on out.  Raleigh Perl
Mongers would be happy to have you.

Thank you,
--bradoaks

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brad Oaks <bradoaks at gmail.com>
Date: Jun 3, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Raleigh Perl Mongers special meeting 7:15pm Monday June 4th on Smolder
To: Raleigh Perl Mongers <raleigh-pm at pm.org>, Triangle Linux Users
Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>


Hello Perl Mongers and TriLUGgers,

Who doesn't need more smoke tests?  And a better collection of that
data?  Come out this Monday night and hear about Smolder from a
visiting expert.

Michael Peters has been selected by The Perl Foundation to receive a
grant for improving Smolder.  Read a little more about him and his
work at http://use.perl.org/~mpeters/journal/

We'll be meeting at 7:15pm at Tekelec for the presentation.

Directions are available on the http://raleigh.pm.org site, and as
always an RSVP email to me is appreciated but not required.
<a href="mailto:bradoaks at gmail.com?subject=June+meeting+RSVP">mailtolink</a>

Thank you and hope to see you out,
--bradoaks

On 5/17/07, Brad Oaks <bradoaks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Perl Mongers, TriLUGgers,
>
> Monday June 4th we will have Michael Peters
> (http://use.perl.org/~mpeters/) in town for a presentation on Smolder
> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/smolder), a "Web-Based Smoke Test
> Aggregator."  I will announce more information about this as it
> becomes available.  Please mark the date on your calendars.
>
> Thank you,
> --bradoaks

From rich.sodemann at datagateinc.com  Fri Jun 15 13:34:08 2007
From: rich.sodemann at datagateinc.com (Rich Sodemann)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:34:08 -0400
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] NCSA Sponsorship
Message-ID: <000501c7af73$62747e50$6501a8c0@richmsi>

Hello,

The company I work for is interested in becoming a sponsor. When I send an
email via the sponsorship link on the NCSA website I get an email reply
stating that my email is being held until the list moderator can review it
for approval. The reason it is being held is: Post by a non-member to a
members-only list. I'm not sure if I'm missing something or what.  I've been
a subscriber for a while now.  Any tips on how to become a sponsor would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

Rich Sodemann
Datagate, Inc.
North Carolina
(800) 824-1540 Ext 541




From riffer at vaxer.net  Fri Jun 15 13:47:00 2007
From: riffer at vaxer.net (Jeff The Riffer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:47:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] NCSA Sponsorship
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References: <000501c7af73$62747e50$6501a8c0@richmsi>
Message-ID: <61351.56.0.163.16.1181929620.squirrel@www.vaxer.net>

On Fri, June 15, 2007 1:34 pm, Rich Sodemann wrote:
> The company I work for is interested in becoming a sponsor. When I send an
> email via the sponsorship link on the NCSA website I get an email reply
> stating that my email is being held until the list moderator can review it
> for approval.

Hi Rich. I've forwarded your e-mail to the SC. We're trying to get the mailing
list configured to avoid spam and unfortunately finding the right balance of
controls is tricky.

Hopefully you should hear from someone in the SC shortly.


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From cgbullock at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 16 09:23:26 2007
From: cgbullock at yahoo.com (Chris Bullock)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9997.1181929626.4828.ncsa-discussion@ncsysadmin.org>
Message-ID: <936746.88201.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We use nagios at our shop.  It is a lot more granular than our use.  It
has a vmware image that you can get from the vmware appliance page.  We
have about 75% linux and the rest are Windows servers.  We are running HP
servers and there are plugins that attach to the HP system management
homepage app that gives us the hardware status.  There is a site called
nagiosexchange where you can download many plugs for nagios.  You can also
set up what I call zones of servers, ie if you have servers on a certain
subnet and your router for that subnet goes down it is intelligent enough
to let you know that only the router interface is down instead of
bombarding you with hundreds of false positives about the servers behind
the router.  I have not looked at this in depth but I was at a health care
seminar and the University of Maryland is using this and they are using it
to monitor services and if the services go down nagios will attempt to
restart the service (while sending you an email) and if the service does
not restart after a few tries it will send a page.  

Some people in the area swear by OpenNMS but we found it was a little
harder to configure, I guess thats why they sell support.
Regards,
Chris

> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:20:52 -0400
> From: Matt Pusateri <mpusateri at wickedtrails.com>
> Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
> To: ncsa-discussion at ncsysadmin.org
> Message-ID: <4656E2B4.20002 at wickedtrails.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hello fellow sysadmins,
> 
> I'm curious to know if you were to deploy a network monitoring solution 
> similar to Nagios or OpenNMS, what would be your preferred method of 
> deployment?  Also what type of environment are you in Windows shop, 
> Linux/FOSS shop, mixed?
> 
> A. A VMware image, or state your preferred virtual software program.
> 
> B. An ISO image that you could burn and then could have an automated 
> install that not only put the network software on, but installed a 
> preconfigured OS as well.
> 
> C. A hardware appliance, that could be purchased.
> 
> 
> I realize this is all rather vague, just wanting to get some feed back 
> on how people would rather deploy software solutions.
> 
> 
> Matt P.
> 



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From mpusateri at wickedtrails.com  Sat Jun 16 20:51:21 2007
From: mpusateri at wickedtrails.com (Matt Pusateri)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:51:21 -0400
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
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Chris,

Thanks for your response. What I was really asking about was the method 
in which you would deploy your network monitoring solution, not which 
one you use. I've been trying to avoid a shameless plug for the product 
that the company I work for makes. :) Anyways we've put out a VMware 
image of it with a limited license(it used to be a trail license - now 
it's a limited node version with a 10 year license) It was born out of 
the original OpenNMS code, but it really has surpassed it. One of the 
reason's I wanted to know how you would deploy it, was I was trying to 
gage interest in ISO that installs OS/Network Monitoring app on your own 
box versus a VMware image. Or whether a XEN image or other virtual image 
would be preferred.


Anyways thanks for your time.

Matt P.

<shameless_plug> http://www.commandcenter-noc.com </shameless_plug>


Chris Bullock wrote:
> We use nagios at our shop.  It is a lot more granular than our use.  It
> has a vmware image that you can get from the vmware appliance page.  We
> have about 75% linux and the rest are Windows servers.  We are running HP
> servers and there are plugins that attach to the HP system management
> homepage app that gives us the hardware status.  There is a site called
> nagiosexchange where you can download many plugs for nagios.  You can also
> set up what I call zones of servers, ie if you have servers on a certain
> subnet and your router for that subnet goes down it is intelligent enough
> to let you know that only the router interface is down instead of
> bombarding you with hundreds of false positives about the servers behind
> the router.  I have not looked at this in depth but I was at a health care
> seminar and the University of Maryland is using this and they are using it
> to monitor services and if the services go down nagios will attempt to
> restart the service (while sending you an email) and if the service does
> not restart after a few tries it will send a page.  
>
> Some people in the area swear by OpenNMS but we found it was a little
> harder to configure, I guess thats why they sell support.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>   
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:20:52 -0400
>> From: Matt Pusateri <mpusateri at wickedtrails.com>
>> Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
>> To: ncsa-discussion at ncsysadmin.org
>> Message-ID: <4656E2B4.20002 at wickedtrails.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello fellow sysadmins,
>>
>> I'm curious to know if you were to deploy a network monitoring solution 
>> similar to Nagios or OpenNMS, what would be your preferred method of 
>> deployment?  Also what type of environment are you in Windows shop, 
>> Linux/FOSS shop, mixed?
>>
>> A. A VMware image, or state your preferred virtual software program.
>>
>> B. An ISO image that you could burn and then could have an automated 
>> install that not only put the network software on, but installed a 
>> preconfigured OS as well.
>>
>> C. A hardware appliance, that could be purchased.
>>
>>
>> I realize this is all rather vague, just wanting to get some feed back 
>> on how people would rather deploy software solutions.
>>
>>
>> Matt P.
>>
>>     
>
>
>
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From craig at cookitservices.com  Sun Jun 24 20:40:29 2007
From: craig at cookitservices.com (Craig Cook)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:40:29 +1000
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
Message-ID: <20070625004029.5E36C502DF@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>

>I'm curious to know if you were to deploy a network monitoring solution
>similar to Nagios or OpenNMS, what would be your preferred method of
>deployment?  Also what type of environment are you in Windows shop,
>Linux/FOSS shop, mixed?

Depends on budget, your environment (mix of Operating Systems, number of boxes, number of desired services to monitor) and what you are trying to achieve. 

If this is a "proof-of-concept" start with one monitoring server on existing hardware and one client of each platform to monitor.  Manually install the clients.

Something like hobbitmon will auto update its own unix clients (not true for windows yet)

You should use your standard deployment method to send updates to devices on your network, eg. cfengine, puppet, radmind, (some commercial tool), etc.  If you are not running a deployment tool already you should look at installing and understanding that before you try large scale deployments.


Craig Cook
--
Systems Monitoring Consulting and Support Services
http://www.cookitservices.com

From mpusateri at wickedtrails.com  Mon Jun 25 00:11:19 2007
From: mpusateri at wickedtrails.com (Matt Pusateri)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:11:19 -0400
Subject: [NCSA-discuss] Network Monitoring preferences
In-Reply-To: <20070625004029.5E36C502DF@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20070625004029.5E36C502DF@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <467F4067.5000202@wickedtrails.com>

Craig Cook wrote:
>> I'm curious to know if you were to deploy a network monitoring solution
>> similar to Nagios or OpenNMS, what would be your preferred method of
>> deployment?  Also what type of environment are you in Windows shop,
>> Linux/FOSS shop, mixed?
>>     
>
> Depends on budget, your environment (mix of Operating Systems, number of boxes, number of desired services to monitor) and what you are trying to achieve. 
>
> If this is a "proof-of-concept" start with one monitoring server on existing hardware and one client of each platform to monitor.  Manually install the clients.
>
> Something like hobbitmon will auto update its own unix clients (not true for windows yet)
>
> You should use your standard deployment method to send updates to devices on your network, eg. cfengine, puppet, radmind, (some commercial tool), etc.  If you are not running a deployment tool already you should look at installing and understanding that before you try large scale deployments.
>
>
> Craig Cook
> --
> Systems Monitoring Consulting and Support Services
> http://www.cookitservices.com
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What I meant by this thread, was would you rather deploy something on a 
stand alone box by downloading the software via and ISO or your would 
rather have a VMware image.  The monitoring solution I was talking about 
is http://www.commandcenter-noc.com.  I was trying not to have a 
shameless plug, but apparently I didn't explain my question well enough 
because everyone is misunderstanding :(  Currently we have a vmware 
image, and I think we should also have an ISO.  How many people would 
run their whole monitoring system in a VM?  How many would dedicate a 
spare box to it, and load the the solution from an ISO.  We have a free 
vmware image download of it now(limited to the number of devices you can 
monitor in the free version) and I was trying to gage the interest in an 
ISO.  We're finishing up a new release and I'm trying to push the new 
release to also have a ISO version.  Sorry for all the cloak and dagger, 
but I really was trying not to make this a sales related question.

Matt P.