From rhce@trilug.org  Mon Feb  3 16:06:18 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:06:18 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] First Meeting
Message-ID: <200302031106.18516.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

All,

I guess that this week we'll the first meeting.=20

Now, can someone repost directions, maps, times....?
Also, shopuld we do the LTSP installation a learning experience for us al=
l? Or=20
should we just go and use LTSP for RHCE class?

I'd say LTSP is a pretty interesting technology and maybe we all would li=
ke to=20
learn about it. Jason and myself know about LTSP, so most probably we cou=
ld=20
"teach LTSP".


Salut,
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--=20
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Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 12:57:45 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:57:45 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Discussion on Slashdot on RHCE
Message-ID: <200302050757.45138.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

All,

I think that it is interesting to read what pepople think about the test,=
 the=20
difficulty....

Read it here:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3D52805&cid=3D0&pid=3D0&startat=3D&th=
reshold=3D2&mode=3Dnested&commentsort=3D0&op=3DChange


Salut,
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 13:38:45 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (rhce@trilug.org)
Date: Wed,  5 Feb 2003 08:38:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
Message-ID: <20030205133845.B265EB6DC@xmxpita.excite.com>

Hello All,

Just came accross this subscription list whilst browsing the net.
I have just taken the *NEW* combined RHCE/RHCT test here in Australia, (i.e the RHCE test with the possiblity of obtaining the rhce). I haven't got my results yet but I should have it within the next two days.. We've got it fairly good down under, Red Hat Asia Pacific had a one time offer of offering the RHCE certification for $300AUD which is just under $150 US... normally it is $950AUD.. so I had nothing to lose  taking the test. All in all I walked out of there knowing the standard of the questions and good test experience. I'm fairly confident, and even more confident if I have to take it again.

I wish I had a group like this when I was going through my exam prep.  If  anyone has any questions about the test or how to best prepare for it please don't hesitate to ask. I'm All ears. (bearing in mind though that I have signed the NDA). 

Looking forward to your questions,
Mark



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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 13:40:53 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:40:53 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
In-Reply-To: <20030205133845.B265EB6DC@xmxpita.excite.com>
References: <20030205133845.B265EB6DC@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <200302050840.53106.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:38 am,  wrote:
> Hello All,

Hi Mark,

> Just came accross this subscription list whilst browsing the net.
> I have just taken the *NEW* combined RHCE/RHCT test here in Australia, =
(i.e
> the RHCE test with the possiblity of obtaining the rhce). I haven't got=
 my
> results yet but I should have it within the next two days.. We've got i=
t
> fairly good down under, Red Hat Asia Pacific had a one time offer of
> offering the RHCE certification for $300AUD which is just under $150 US=
=2E..
> normally it is $950AUD.. so I had nothing to lose  taking the test. All=
 in
> all I walked out of there knowing the standard of the questions and goo=
d
> test experience. I'm fairly confident, and even more confident if I hav=
e to
> take it again.

> I wish I had a group like this when I was going through my exam prep.  =
If=20
> anyone has any questions about the test or how to best prepare for it
> please don't hesitate to ask. I'm All ears. (bearing in mind though tha=
t I
> have signed the NDA).

> Looking forward to your questions,
> Mark

Thank you for the info :)

Now, the test that you took, was it a RH7.x or a RH8.x thing?
What was your experience in Linux before taking the test?
Did you study by yourself or did you take the RH300 or similar?


Thank you in advance.



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Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 19:39:02 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 05 Feb 2003 14:39:02 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] What time is tonight's meeting ?
Message-ID: <1044473948.29793.59.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

Hey folks,
I've looked back through the threads, and can't seem to tell for sure
what time we agreed on for tonight's meeting.

I might be a little late depending on what time it actually starts.

Thanks,
Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 19:51:28 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:51:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] meeting starts at 7pm
In-Reply-To: <1044473948.29793.59.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051448240.7901-100001@eeyore.1000plus.com>

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  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
  Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.

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> I've looked back through the threads, and can't seem to tell for sure
> what time we agreed on for tonight's meeting.

i don't see it anywhere in the emails either.  i've been going by  
scott's initial draft at

http://www.geekrooms.com/trilug/rhce.html

which has 7pm-9pm as the meeting time.  (date got changed from tuesdays to
wednesdays since wednesday is when rock has the room available.)

i've attached the map rock sent out last week...

						lisa

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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 19:57:31 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:57:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <20030130144152.A10849@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

originally, this was supposed to be a planning meeting to discuss the 
content of the syllabus, the type / frequency of the meetings (every 
week?  every other week?  online every other week?  etc.), and whether we 
need to split into two classes to accommodate schedules / number of 
interested people.

people have been discussing setting up ltsp tonight, too.  i think it
would be difficult to do them in parallel, since we'd end up with a lot of
people talking at once about two different topics.  (and people - like me!  
- who want to participate in both.)

one possibility would be to have a planning meeting (30 minutes to an
hour, depending on how detailed we want to get) and then do the ltsp setup
once that's finished.  that way people who have time constraints can get
all the class info, and then anyone who's free & interested can stay to
play with the computers. :)

does that sound good to everybody?

						lisa

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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 19:55:10 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:10 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] What time is tonight's meeting ?
In-Reply-To: <1044473948.29793.59.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1044473948.29793.59.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <200302051455.10756.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:39 pm, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> Hey folks,
> I've looked back through the threads, and can't seem to tell for sure
> what time we agreed on for tonight's meeting.

> I might be a little late depending on what time it actually starts.

> Thanks,
> Jeremy

Hi Jeremy,

Rock Roskam proposed the meeting today, at 9:00 pm ???

It would be good to confirm, as I have to drive from Greenville (2 hour d=
rive)

Can someone call Rock and confirm? Thank you


-------------=20
I would like to offer space for the meeting. That way I can easily
attend. I have 10 PC's which I would like to get installed and networked
with Redhat 8.0. I have 802.11b wireless access and a T1 connection. I
also have some room for people to bring in their own systems. What I do
not currently have is a projector or screen. I would prefer the meetings
take place at 9: pm on Monday or Wednesday.
Sincerely.
Rock Roskam
Manager
Eclectic LAN
9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
Raleigh, NC 27613
(919) 845-7407
rock@eclecticlan.com

------------


Salut,
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:01:51 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:01:51 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] meeting starts at 7pm
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051448240.7901-100001@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051448240.7901-100001@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <200302051501.51749.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:51 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > I've looked back through the threads, and can't seem to tell for sure
> > what time we agreed on for tonight's meeting.
>
> i don't see it anywhere in the emails either.  i've been going by
> scott's initial draft at
>
> http://www.geekrooms.com/trilug/rhce.html
>
> which has 7pm-9pm as the meeting time.  (date got changed from tuesdays=
 to
> wednesdays since wednesday is when rock has the room available.)
>
> i've attached the map rock sent out last week...
>
> =09=09=09=09=09=09lisa

OK. Ill be there around 6:30/7:00, depending on traffic.=20


Salut,
Sinner
--=20
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:05:10 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (rhce@trilug.org)
Date: Wed,  5 Feb 2003 15:05:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
Message-ID: <20030205200510.D64AFB6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>

I took the test with RH.8.0 Psyche. So it was the latest one. The test format is different from what was on the redhat official page. (although someone has told me they just recently, within the past few days, changed it)

B4 you had to get average of 80 across 3 components with no score being under 50 in any single component. Since then they have introduced a raft of minor changes, mainly to accomodate rhct.

Now to obtain rhce, you must obtain over 50% in the troubleshoot, pass  the MC, get 70% in the rhcT component of the server install and get 70% in the rhcE component of the server install. AND get 80% or more average. IF any of those are not met then you do not get RHCE. You may however still get RHCT if you get 50% in the troubleshoot and over 70% in the rhcT component of the server install. Kapish..

You will walk out of the exam knowing your marks to the troubleshoot and the MC. I got 100 for the troubleshoot and 92 for the MC. Needless to say I got complacent in the Server Install and ran out of time (that is truly the killer section). I will know my results soon.

I did not do the rh300 course. And in my opinion U do not need it. What you need more is actually hands on experience. Especially for the server install part. If you dilly-dally looking up man pages you will certainly not finish in time. I don't know anyone who has done the course, but I don't beleive they can cover as much scope and depth and experience over 4 days... Experience is Really what matters.

I've been using Linux for 1 and half years only (but that is full use, totally got rid of windows partitions). And I'm on the computer A Lot,  my work computers are also on RedHat. It took me a whole month to study for RHCE (but we are talking 8 to 10 hours of serious study everyday) I went through the RHCE study guide by Micheal Jang (it is the latest one out there, based on the beta of RH8.0), the RedHat 8.0 bible, the Redhat 8.0 official sysadmin guide, the redhat 8.0 reference guide and the customisation guide. I had practice tests supplied with the RHCE study guide and also bought the RHCE Prep Exams from whizlabs. I also had a 5 networked machines to do all my server side stuff. I doubt the rh300 could cover what I did. 


Hear from you all again,
Mark






 --- On Wed 02/05, Sinner from the Prairy < sinner@escomposlinux.org > wrote:
From: Sinner from the Prairy [mailto: sinner@escomposlinux.org]
To: rhce@trilug.org
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:40:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [RHCE] RHCE Help

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:38 am,  wrote:
> Hello All,

Hi Mark,

> Just came accross this subscription list whilst browsing the net.
> I have just taken the *NEW* combined RHCE/RHCT test here in Australia, (i.e
> the RHCE test with the possiblity of obtaining the rhce). I haven't got my
> results yet but I should have it within the next two days.. We've got it
> fairly good down under, Red Hat Asia Pacific had a one time offer of
> offering the RHCE certification for $300AUD which is just under $150 US...
> normally it is $950AUD.. so I had nothing to lose  taking the test. All in
> all I walked out of there knowing the standard of the questions and good
> test experience. I'm fairly confident, and even more confident if I have to
> take it again.

> I wish I had a group like this when I was going through my exam prep.  If 
> anyone has any questions about the test or how to best prepare for it
> please don't hesitate to ask. I'm All ears. (bearing in mind though that I
> have signed the NDA).

> Looking forward to your questions,
> Mark

Thank you for the info :)

Now, the test that you took, was it a RH7.x or a RH8.x thing?
What was your experience in Linux before taking the test?
Did you study by yourself or did you take the RH300 or similar?


Thank you in advance.



Salut,
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:07:11 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 05 Feb 2003 15:07:11 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <1044475635.29794.61.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:57, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> 
> one possibility would be to have a planning meeting (30 minutes to an
> hour, depending on how detailed we want to get) and then do the ltsp setup
> once that's finished.  that way people who have time constraints can get
> all the class info, and then anyone who's free & interested can stay to
> play with the computers. :)
> 
> does that sound good to everybody?

Yep, +1 from me.

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:11:01 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:11:01 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <200302051511.01725.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> does that sound good to everybody?

Perfect with me.

Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)


Salut,
Sinner
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:25:19 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:25:19 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>; from lorenzin@1000plus.com on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:57:31PM -0500
References: <20030130144152.A10849@eeyore.1000plus.com> <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <20030205152519.B7465@eeyore.1000plus.com>

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:57:31PM -0500, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> one possibility would be to have a planning meeting (30 minutes to an
> hour, depending on how detailed we want to get) and then do the ltsp setup
> once that's finished.  that way people who have time constraints can get
> all the class info, and then anyone who's free & interested can stay to
> play with the computers. :)
> 
> does that sound good to everybody?

+1 from me as well.  Because of time constraints tonight, I'm not sure
whether I'll be able to make it to the meeting, but if we split it up
this way, I might be able to come for the planning and head out after
that.  (I'd hate to miss the LTSP stuff, but that's the best I might be
able to manage tonight.)

Mike

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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:27:48 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:27:48 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <200302051511.01725.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051451370.7901-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com> <200302051511.01725.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <200302051527.48628.jason@cerient.net>

no need to call, i'm in.  be there around 6:30 or so.  got a server with =
one=20
nic and 512mb ram.  still need a hard disk and a second nic which rock sa=
id=20
he could supply.  see you all there.

jason

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 15:11, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > does that sound good to everybody?
>
> Perfect with me.
>
> Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:30:13 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (rhce@trilug.org)
Date: Wed,  5 Feb 2003 15:30:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] LTSP
Message-ID: <20030205203013.06127B6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>


Guys guys guys,

I've seen a whole lot of flurry about setting up LTSP for your study sessions. But just a couple of questions

For the RHCE exam you will be running your own servers. You will need to set up your own servers responsible for a whole vlan. I think maybe you are limiting yourselfs a great deal working of thin clients.

What if you have numereous people trying to configure an apache server  at the same time, if your LTSP server is also you're apache server you'd  seriously run into some problems. YOu could set it up so each diskless workstation acts as an independent terminal I suppose, not sure you can start recompiling the kernel, add modules etc etc though.. 

The best way is to install RH8.0 across your machines.. and then when  you've done that install it again and again over NFS, ftp, http, configure your own kickstart files and run automated installs.
 
Just my take,
Mark


 --- On Wed 02/05, Sinner from the Prairy < sinner@escomposlinux.org > wrote:
From: Sinner from the Prairy [mailto: sinner@escomposlinux.org]
To: rhce@trilug.org
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:11:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> does that sound good to everybody?

Perfect with me.

Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)


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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:45:54 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (John F Davis)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:45:54 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
Message-ID: <OF060B51A3.888CD04E-ON87256CC4.00721680@us.ibm.com>




Hello

What is the address again?  I've got the map printed out, but I want to
make sure.

See you at 7pm.

JD


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On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> does that sound good to everybody?

Perfect with me.

Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)


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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:50:02 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:50:02 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <OF060B51A3.888CD04E-ON87256CC4.00721680@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF060B51A3.888CD04E-ON87256CC4.00721680@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <200302051550.02692.jason@cerient.net>

http://www.eclecticlan.com/

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 15:45, John F Davis wrote:
> Hello
>
> What is the address again?  I've got the map printed out, but I want to
> make sure.
>
> See you at 7pm.
>
> JD
>
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>
> On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > does that sound good to everybody?
>
> Perfect with me.
>
> Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 20:53:44 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 05 Feb 2003 15:53:44 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] LTSP
In-Reply-To: <20030205203013.06127B6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>
References: <20030205203013.06127B6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <1044478428.29793.64.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

Hey Mark,

If you read the archives of this list you'll see why we decided on LTSP.
I think that all of us will be playing around with our own servers at
home, but LTSP should work well for the context of the study sessions. 
We can't modify the hard drives on the machines (except for the server).

Are you going to be able to make it to the meeting tonight?  Would love
to have your expertise! :-)

--Jeremy

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 15:30, marky023@excite.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Guys guys guys,
> 
> I've seen a whole lot of flurry about setting up LTSP for your study sessions. But just a couple of questions
> 
> For the RHCE exam you will be running your own servers. You will need to set up your own servers responsible for a whole vlan. I think maybe you are limiting yourselfs a great deal working of thin clients.
> 
> What if you have numereous people trying to configure an apache server  at the same time, if your LTSP server is also you're apache server you'd  seriously run into some problems. YOu could set it up so each diskless workstation acts as an independent terminal I suppose, not sure you can start recompiling the kernel, add modules etc etc though.. 
> 
> The best way is to install RH8.0 across your machines.. and then when  you've done that install it again and again over NFS, ftp, http, configure your own kickstart files and run automated installs.
>  
> Just my take,
> Mark
> 
> 
>  --- On Wed 02/05, Sinner from the Prairy < sinner@escomposlinux.org > wrote:
> From: Sinner from the Prairy [mailto: sinner@escomposlinux.org]
> To: rhce@trilug.org
> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:11:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
> 
> On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > does that sound good to everybody?
> 
> Perfect with me.
> 
> Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)
> 
> 
> Salut,
> Sinner
> -- 
> http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
> Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 21:02:25 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Rock Roskam)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:02:25 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <200302051550.02692.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c2cd59$e3337920$6501a8c0@proxp>

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Attached is the map.  I had to run out of the store for a bit.  Tonight
7pm is fine.  Attached is the map.
Sincerely,

Rock Roskam
Manager
Eclectic LAN
9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
Raleigh, NC 27613
(919) 845-7407
rock@eclecticlan.com
www.eclecticlan.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rhce-admin@trilug.org [mailto:rhce-admin@trilug.org] On Behalf Of
Jason Tower
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:50 PM
To: rhce@trilug.org
Subject: Re: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?

http://www.eclecticlan.com/

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 15:45, John F Davis wrote:
> Hello
>
> What is the address again?  I've got the map printed out, but I want
to
> make sure.
>
> See you at 7pm.
>
> JD
>
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> On Wednesday 05 February 2003 02:57 pm, Lisa Lorenzin wrote:
> > does that sound good to everybody?
>
> Perfect with me.
>
> Jason Tower will rpobably agree as well (I'll contact him by phone)
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner

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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 21:17:52 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Scott Stancil)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:17:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
In-Reply-To: <20030205200510.D64AFB6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>
References: <20030205200510.D64AFB6E1@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <37058.24.136.233.208.1044479872.squirrel@www.geekrooms.com>

Howdy,

Good news:  I am moving to Bama.  Bad news:  I am moving to Bama. ;)

Could someone take the source for the syllabus and post it elsewhere? 
Thanks.


-- 
Scott Stancil
sstancil@geekrooms.com




From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 21:18:16 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:18:16 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
In-Reply-To: <37058.24.136.233.208.1044479872.squirrel@www.geekrooms.com>
References: <20030205200510.D64AFB6E1@xmxpita.excite.com> <37058.24.136.233.208.1044479872.squirrel@www.geekrooms.com>
Message-ID: <200302051618.19749.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

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On Wednesday 05 February 2003 16:17, Scott Stancil wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> Good news:  I am moving to Bama.  Bad news:  I am moving to Bama. ;)
>
> Could someone take the source for the syllabus and post it elsewhere?
> Thanks.

Send me a tar.gz with the info. I'll put it up on my website



Salut,
Sinner
=2D --=20
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 21:19:04 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:19:04 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] what are we doing tonight?
In-Reply-To: <004f01c2cd59$e3337920$6501a8c0@proxp>
References: <004f01c2cd59$e3337920$6501a8c0@proxp>
Message-ID: <200302051619.04698.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 16:02, Rock Roskam wrote:
> Attached is the map.  I had to run out of the store for a bit.  Tonight
> 7pm is fine.  Attached is the map.
> Sincerely,

Great!

Thank you!


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068

From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 21:39:44 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:39:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE Help
In-Reply-To: <37058.24.136.233.208.1044479872.squirrel@www.geekrooms.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302051639250.9163-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

> Could someone take the source for the syllabus and post it elsewhere? 
> Thanks.

okay, it's now at

http://www.trilug.org/~lisa/

i took the liberty of updating it with tonight's meeting info.

						lisa

-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin@1000plus.com  |  http://www.1000plus.com/lisa/
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb  5 22:39:05 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Rock Roskam)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:39:05 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] What time is tonight's meeting ?
In-Reply-To: <1044473948.29793.59.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <005a01c2cd67$63deda30$6501a8c0@proxp>

So far it looks like most people will be here at 7:pm

Rock Roskam
Manager
Eclectic LAN
9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
Raleigh, NC 27613
(919) 845-7407
rock@eclecticlan.com
www.eclecticlan.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rhce-admin@trilug.org [mailto:rhce-admin@trilug.org] On Behalf Of
Jeremy Portzer
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:39 PM
To: rhce@trilug.org
Subject: [RHCE] What time is tonight's meeting ?

Hey folks,
I've looked back through the threads, and can't seem to tell for sure
what time we agreed on for tonight's meeting.

I might be a little late depending on what time it actually starts.

Thanks,
Jeremy

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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 01:45:54 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:45:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] IRC Channel for RHCE Study Group
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302052043100.8532-100000@moya.trilug.org>

I've made a new IRC Channel for us to use, as we discussed at tonight's 
organizational meeting.  The channel is #trilug-rhce on irc.trilug.org 
(which is an alais to irc.freenode.net).

The IRC clients I like best are, for X Windows, xchat, and for the 
terminal/text-based, irssi.  Remember that all trilug members can get a 
shell account; we have irssi installed on the shell servers.

Let me know if you have any questions about using IRC.

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 04:12:47 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:12:47 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
Message-ID: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net>

the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and running.  i=
t is=20
a celeron 1200 with 512MB ram, and a complete install of rh8.  it is NOT=20
behind a firewall of any sort, although i have turned off just about=20
everything except ssh (go ahead, portscan it!)  you can access it at=20
rimmer.cerient.net.

if you would like an account on rimmer, please send me an email with your=
=20
desired logon name and i'll add it.  i've tested vnc successfully, so you=
 can=20
have a graphical desktop if you want.  note that this server is *NOT*=20
intended for any high-bandwidth use, so please be kind and don't abuse ro=
ck's=20
generosity in hosting it on his network.  let me know if you have any=20
questions.

by the way, it looks like the broadcom gigabit nics in rock's PCs are not=
=20
supported by either etherboot or linux in general, so we'll need to add a=
=20
second nic to the machines if we want to use them for anything linux rela=
ted. =20
if you can spare a nic or two we should be able to put it to good use.

jason

From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 05:18:37 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Feb 2003 00:18:37 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <1044508720.2229.177.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and running.

"Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?

JonC


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 05:28:46 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:28:46 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <1044508720.2229.177.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net> <1044508720.2229.177.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200302060028.46434.jason@cerient.net>

if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my mail com=
es=20
from holly.cerient.net.

when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel in=20
brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  i even p=
ut=20
away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) which is only a coup=
le=20
of miles away from where adams was raised.  anyway, i mentioned that i wa=
s a=20
douglas adams fan and someone asked me how i liked red dwarf, to which i=20
replied that i had never heard of it.  genuinely surprised (because RD is=
=20
more popular/well known in england than HGTTG), they told me about the sh=
ow=20
and the rest is history.

wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but stopped =
a=20
year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.

jason

On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and running=
=2E
>
> "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
>
> JonC
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 06:35:06 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jon Carnes)
Date: 06 Feb 2003 01:35:06 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <200302060028.46434.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net>
 <1044508720.2229.177.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
 <200302060028.46434.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <1044513310.3190.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about Red
Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't imagine
what that is going to be like!

Jon Carnes 

On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my mail comes 
> from holly.cerient.net.
> 
> when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel in 
> brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  i even put 
> away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) which is only a couple 
> of miles away from where adams was raised.  anyway, i mentioned that i was a 
> douglas adams fan and someone asked me how i liked red dwarf, to which i 
> replied that i had never heard of it.  genuinely surprised (because RD is 
> more popular/well known in england than HGTTG), they told me about the show 
> and the rest is history.
> 
> wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but stopped a 
> year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> 
> jason
> 
> On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and running.
> >
> > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> >
> > JonC
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > Archives for the RHCE list:
> >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 15:53:19 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:53:19 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] LTSP
In-Reply-To: <1044478428.29793.64.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <20030205203013.06127B6E1@xmxpita.excite.com> <1044478428.29793.64.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <200302061053.19917.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 05 February 2003 03:53 pm, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> Are you going to be able to make it to the meeting tonight?  Would love
> to have your expertise! :-)

I really believe that he is on Australia right now :)


Salut,
Sinner
--=20
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 17:47:21 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:47:21 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <1044513310.3190.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
References: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net> <200302060028.46434.jason@cerient.net> <1044513310.3190.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200302061247.21998.jason@cerient.net>

what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've only =
seen=20
maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a movie, any id=
ea=20
who the cast members will be?

On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
> and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about Re=
d
> Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't imagin=
e
> what that is going to be like!
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my mail
> > comes from holly.cerient.net.
> >
> > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel in
> > brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  i ev=
en
> > put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) which is onl=
y a
> > couple of miles away from where adams was raised.  anyway, i mentione=
d
> > that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked me how i liked red
> > dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard of it.  genuinely
> > surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in england than HGTT=
G),
> > they told me about the show and the rest is history.
> >
> > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but stop=
ped
> > a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> >
> > jason
> >
> > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > running.
> > >
> > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > >
> > > JonC
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > Archives for the RHCE list:
> >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
>
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 18:07:11 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:07:11 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <200302061247.21998.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302052312.47507.jason@cerient.net> <1044513310.3190.7.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com> <200302061247.21998.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <200302061307.11455.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Thursday 06 February 2003 12:47 pm, Jason Tower wrote:
> what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've onl=
y
> seen maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a movie,=
 any
> idea who the cast members will be?

http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/

I'm a fan as well. I was fortunate enough to get Red Dwarf in Catalan. Fo=
r=20
some wierd reason, British sense of humour (Black Adder, Red Dwarf, Yes=20
Minister...) related perfectly with us Catalan audience. Extrangely, it h=
ad=20
zero success in (the rest of) Spain.

I have read the Red Dwarf book. I don't know if I still have it, after mo=
ving=20
a zillion times, including one intercontinental "the mother of all moves"=
=2E

Say hi to Holly :)


Salut,
Sinner
--=20
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 19:37:05 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Frank Pittenger)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:37:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <200302061247.21998.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <ML-3.4.1044560225.7515.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>

I have the first 6 episodes on two VHS tapes.  This is the retail version
(not taped off television).  I also have the book which covers an extensive
period of the story.

Frank

On  6-Feb-03 at 12:48, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've only
> seen  maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a movie,
> any idea  who the cast members will be?
> 
> On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
> > and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about Red
> > Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't imagine
> > what that is going to be like!
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my mail
> > > comes from holly.cerient.net.
> > >
> > > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel in
> > > brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  i even
> > > put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) which is only
> > > a couple of miles away from where adams was raised.  anyway, i
> > > mentioned that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked me how i
> > > liked red dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard of it. 
> > > genuinely surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in england
> > > than HGTTG), they told me about the show and the rest is history.
> > >
> > > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but
> > > stopped a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> > >
> > > jason
> > >
> > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > > running.
> > > >
> > > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > > >
> > > > JonC
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
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> >
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 20:12:12 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:12:12 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <ML-3.4.1044560225.7515.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>
References: <ML-3.4.1044560225.7515.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <200302061512.12211.jason@cerient.net>

sweet!  could i persuade you to let me borrow them between trilug meeting=
s? =20
or we can have a combined rhce/red dwarf meeting at my place.  BYOV (brin=
g=20
your own vindaloo)

i read the book while in england, someone loaned it to me.  actually, i t=
hink=20
there are two or three books.

jason

On Thursday 06 February 2003 14:37, Frank Pittenger wrote:
> I have the first 6 episodes on two VHS tapes.  This is the retail versi=
on
> (not taped off television).  I also have the book which covers an exten=
sive
> period of the story.
>
> Frank
>
> On  6-Feb-03 at 12:48, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> > what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've o=
nly
> > seen  maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a mov=
ie,
> > any idea  who the cast members will be?
> >
> > On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal someti=
me
> > > and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes abou=
t
> > > Red Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can'=
t
> > > imagine what that is going to be like!
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my =
mail
> > > > comes from holly.cerient.net.
> > > >
> > > > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hote=
l in
> > > > brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  =
i
> > > > even put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) whi=
ch
> > > > is only a couple of miles away from where adams was raised.  anyw=
ay,
> > > > i mentioned that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked me h=
ow i
> > > > liked red dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard of it.
> > > > genuinely surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in eng=
land
> > > > than HGTTG), they told me about the show and the rest is history.
> > > >
> > > > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but
> > > > stopped a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> > > >
> > > > jason
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > > > running.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > > > >
> > > > > JonC
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > > > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > > > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > Archives for the RHCE list:
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> >
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 20:14:06 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (John F Davis)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:14:06 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] server is up
Message-ID: <OFC796AF5E.6A3F2E4D-ON87256CC5.006F2246@us.ibm.com>




Hello

I would attend a red dwarf showing.

JD


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sweet!  could i persuade you to let me borrow them between trilug meetings?
or we can have a combined rhce/red dwarf meeting at my place.  BYOV (bring
your own vindaloo)

i read the book while in england, someone loaned it to me.  actually, i
think
there are two or three books.

jason

On Thursday 06 February 2003 14:37, Frank Pittenger wrote:
> I have the first 6 episodes on two VHS tapes.  This is the retail version
> (not taped off television).  I also have the book which covers an
extensive
> period of the story.
>
> Frank
>
> On  6-Feb-03 at 12:48, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> > what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've
only
> > seen  maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a
movie,
> > any idea  who the cast members will be?
> >
> > On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
> > > and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about
> > > Red Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't
> > > imagine what that is going to be like!
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my
mail
> > > > comes from holly.cerient.net.
> > > >
> > > > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel
in
> > > > brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.  i
> > > > even put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG) which
> > > > is only a couple of miles away from where adams was raised.
anyway,
> > > > i mentioned that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked me how
i
> > > > liked red dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard of it.
> > > > genuinely surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in
england
> > > > than HGTTG), they told me about the show and the rest is history.
> > > >
> > > > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but
> > > > stopped a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> > > >
> > > > jason
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > > > running.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > > > >
> > > > > JonC
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > > > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > > > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> > > > Archives for the RHCE list:
> > > >    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
> > >
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From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 20:45:55 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Rock Roskam)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:45:55 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <ML-3.4.1044560225.7515.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp>

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I found a linux driver for for the Broadcom cards.  Attached is the
readme file.  If there is a driver can we make ltsp work? Or do we have
to set up by etherboot.

Rock Roskam
Manager
Eclectic LAN
9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
Raleigh, NC 27613
(919) 845-7407
rock@eclecticlan.com
www.eclecticlan.com




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                          Broadcom Corporation
                          16215 Alton Parkway,
                          Irvine, CA 92619-7013
			 =20
                              Release Notes
                       Broadcom BCM5700 Linux Driver
                              Version 2.2.20
                                05/02/2002

Table of Contents
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

  Introduction
  Limitations
  Packaging
  Installing Source RPM Package
  Building Driver From TAR File
  Notes
  Patching PCI Files
  Patching Driver Into Kernel
  Network Installation
  Unloading and Removing Driver
  Module Parameters
  Driver Messages
  Statistics
  Revision History
 =20
			      =20
Introduction
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

This file describes the Linux driver for the Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5700
series 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet Network Controllers.


Limitations
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The current version of the driver has been tested on Red Hat 7.1, 7.2, =
and
7.3 beta Linux distributions for i386 and ia64, and other similar Linux
distributions using 2.4.x kernels. The driver has been tested up to =
kernel
version 2.4.18.

Only very limited testing has been done on some CPU platforms other than
i386 and ia64. The Makefile may have to be modified to include platform
specific compile switches, and some minor changes in the source files
may also be required.=20


Packaging
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The driver is released in two packaging formats: source RPM and =
compressed tar
formats. The file names for the two packages are =
bcm5700-<version>.src.rpm and
bcm5700-<version>.tar.gz respectively. Identical source files to build =
the
driver are included in both packages. The tar file contains additional
utilities such as patches and driver diskette images for network =
installation.


Installing Source RPM Package
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D

1. Install the source RPM package:

   rpm -ivh bcm5700-<version>.src.rpm

If installing the driver on SuSE 7.x kernel, refer to the Notes section =
below
before continuing.

2. CD to the RPM path and build the binary driver for your kernel:

   cd /usr/src/{redhat,OpenLinux,turbo,packages,rpm ..}
   rpm -bb SPECS/bcm5700.spec

Note that the RPM path is different for different Linux distributions.

3. Install the newly built package (driver and man page):

   rpm -ivh RPMS/i386/bcm5700-<version>.i386.rpm

Note that the --force option is needed if installing on Red Hat 7.1, =
7.2,
and others that already contain an older version of the driver.

The driver will be installed in the following path:

2.2.x kernels:

    /lib/modules/<kernel_version>/net/bcm5700.o

2.4.x kernels:

    /lib/modules/<kernel_version>/kernel/drivers/net/bcm5700.o

2.4.x kernels with bcm5700 driver patched in (e.g. Red Hat 7.1, 7.2):

    /lib/modules/<kernel_version>/kernel/drivers/net/bcm/bcm5700.o

or

    /lib/modules/<kernel_version>/kernel/drivers/addon/bcm5700/bcm5700.o

4. Load the driver:

   insmod bcm5700

5. To configure network protocol and address, refer to other Linux
documentations.

Building Driver From TAR File
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=3D=3D=3D=3D

1. Create a directory and extract the files:

   tar xvzf bcm5700-<version>.tar.gz

If installing the driver on SuSE 7.x kernel, refer to the Notes section =
below
before continuing.

2. Build the driver bcm5700.o as a loadable module for the running =
kernel:

   cd src
   make

3. Test the driver by loading it:=20

   insmod bcm5700.o

4. Install the driver and man page:

   make install

See RPM instructions above for the location of the installed driver.

5. To configure network protocol and address, refer to other Linux
documentations.

Notes
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Note 1: If compiling the driver under SuSE's 7.x kernel and errors are
reported, follow the general guidelines below to rebuild the kernel
source tree:

cd /usr/src/linux-<kernel_version>.SuSE
cp /boot/vmlinuz.config .config
cp /boot/vmlinuz.version.h include/linux/version.h
cp /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h include/linux/autoconf.h
make oldconfig
make dep

where <kernel_version> is the actual kernel version used in the SuSE
distribution. Example: /usr/src/linux-2.4.4.SuSE


Patching PCI Files (Optional)
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=3D=3D=3D=3D

To use the Red Hat kudzu hardware detection utility, a number of files
containing PCI vendor and device information need to be patched with
information on the BCM5700 series NICs. Patch files for Red Hat 7.x
are included. Apply the appropriate patch by running the patch command.
For example, on Red Hat 7.2 for i386, apply the patch by doing the =
following:

   patch -N -p1 -d /usr < pci-rh72-i386.patch

Run kudzu:

   kudzu

Patching Driver Into Kernel (Optional)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Patch files are included for patching the driver into some of the latest
2.4.x kernel source trees. This step is optional and should only be done
by users familiar with configuring and building the kernel. The patch
will modify the orginal kernel's source code.

Follow the following steps to patch the driver into kernel:

1. Select the patch file that matches your kernel and apply the patch:

   patch -p1 -d <kernel_src_root> < bcm5700-<version>-2.4.<x>.patch

where <version> is the version of the bcm5700 driver and 2.4.<x> is the
version of the kernel to patch (e.g. 2.4.10).

Note: <kernel_src_root> is usually /usr/src/linux or =
/usr/src/linux-2.4.<x>

2. Configure the kernel to include the bcm5700 driver. It can be found
under Network Device Support ---> Ethernet (1000 Mbit) ---> Broadcom =
BCM5700
support when make menuconfig is run. Select built-in or module for the =
driver:

   cd <kernel_src_root>
   make menuconfig=20

3. Compile the kernel:

   make dep
   make clean
   ....
   ....


Network Installation
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

For network installations through NFS, FTP, or HTTP (using a network =
boot
disk or PXE), a driver diskette that contains the bcm5700 driver is =
needed for
Red Hat 7.x. The driver diskette images for the most recent Red Hat =
versions
are included. Boot drivers for other Linux versions can be compiled by
modifying the Makefile and the make environment. Further information is
available from Red Hat's website.

To create the driver diskette, select the appropriate image file, gunzip =
it,
and do the following:

dd if=3Ddd.img of=3D/dev/fd0H1440.


Unloading and Removing Driver
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=3D=3D=3D=3D

To unload the driver, use ifconfig to bring down all eth# interfaces =
opened
by the driver, then do the following:

rmmod bcm5700


If the driver was installed using rpm, do the following to remove it:

rpm -e bcm5700


If the driver was installed using make install from the tar file, the =
driver
bcm5700.o has to be manually deleted from the system. Refer to the =
section
"Building Driver From TAR File" for the location of the installed =
driver.


Module Parameters
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Optional parameters for the driver can be supplied as command line =
arguments=20
to the insmod command. Typically, these parameters are set in the file
/etc/modules.conf (see the man page for modules.conf). These parameters =
take
the form

    <parameter>=3Dvalue[,value,...]

where the multiple values for the same parameter are for multiple NICs
installed in the system.

Note that default or other meaningful values will be used when invalid =
values
are selected. Some combinations of parameter values may conflict and =
lead to
failures. The driver cannot detect all such conflicting combinations.

All the parameters are listed below.

line_speed

    Selects the line speed of the link. This parameter is used together =
with
    full_duplex and auto_speed to select the speed and duplexity of the =
link
    and the setting of autonegotiation.
   =20
    The valid values are:
   =20
    0      Autonegotiate for highest speed supported by link partner =
(default)
    10     10 Mbps
    100    100 Mbps
    1000   1000 Mbps

    If line_speed is set to 10, 100, or 1000, the NIC will autonegotiate =
for
    the selected speed (and selected duplexity) if auto_speed is set to =
1.
    If auto_speed is set to 0, the selected speed and duplexity will be
    set without autonegotiation. Note that 1000 Mbps must be negotiated =
for
    copper twisted pair links.

auto_speed

    Enables or disables autonegotiation. The valid values are:

    0      Autonegotiation disabled
    1      Autonegotiation enabled (default)

    Note that this parameter is ignored and assumed 1 if line_speed is =
set
    to 0.
   =20
full_duplex

    Selects the duplexity of the link. This paramter is used together =
with
    line_speed to select the speed and duplexity of the link. Note that =
this
    parameter is ignored if line_speed is 0.
   =20
    The valid values are:
   =20
    0      half duplex
    1      full duplex (default)
   =20
   =20
rx_flow_control

    Enables or disables receiving flow control (pause) frames. This =
parameter
    is used together with auto_flow_control. The valid values are:
   =20
    0      pause receive disabled (default)
    1      pause receive enabled if auto_flow_control is set to 0, or
           pause receive advertised if auto_flow_control is set to 1

tx_flow_control

    Enables or disables transmitting flow control (pause) frames. This =
parameter
    is used together with auto_flow_control. The valid values are:
   =20
    0      pause transmit disabled (default)
    1      pause transmit enabled if auto_flow_control is set to 0, or
           pause transmit advertised if auto_flow_control is set to 1

auto_flow_control

    Enables or disables autonegotiation of flow control. This parameter =
is used
    together with rx_flow_control and tx_flow_control to determine the
    advertised flow control capability. The valid values are:
   =20
    0      flow control autonegotiation disabled (default)
    1      flow control autonegotiation enabled with capability =
specified in
           rx_flow_control and tx_flow_control (only valid if line_speed =
is
           set to 0 or auto_speed is set to 1)

mtu

    Enables jumbo frames up to the specified MTU size. The valid range =
is
    from 1500 to 9000. Default is 1500. Note that the MTU size excludes =
the
    ethernet header size of 14 bytes. Actual frame size is MTU size + 14 =
bytes.

tx_checksum

    Enables or disables hardware transmit TCP/UDP checksum. The valid =
values
    are:

    0      checksum disabled
    1      checksum enabled (default)

rx_checksum

    Enables or disables hardware receive TCP/UDP checksum validation. =
The
    valid values are:

    0      checksum disabled
    1      checksum enabled (default)

scatter_gather

    Enables or disables scatter-gather and 64-bit DMA on x86. This =
option is
    only useful when running on TUX-enabled kernels or newer kernels =
with
    zero-copy TCP. The valid values are:

    0      scatter-gather and 64-bit DMA on x86 disabled
    1      scatter-gather and 64-bit DMA on x86 enabled (default)

tx_pkt_desc_cnt

    Configures the number of transmit descriptors. Default is 100. The
    valid range is from 1 to 600. Note that the driver may not be able =
to
    allocate the required amount of memory if this parameter is set too =
high.

rx_std_desc_cnt

    Configures the number of receive descriptors for frames up to 1528 =
bytes.
    Default is 200. The valid range is from 1 to 511. This parameter =
should
    not be set less than 80 on systems with high network traffic. =
Setting this
    parameter higher allows the NIC to buffer larger bursts of network
    traffic without dropping frames, especially on slower systems. Note =
that
    the driver may not be able to allocate the required amount of memory =
if
    this parameter is set too high.

rx_jumbo_desc_cnt

    Configures the number of receive descriptors for jumbo frames larger
    than 1528 bytes. Default is 128 and valid range is from 1 to 255.
    When jumbo frames larger than 1528 bytes are used, this parameter =
should
    not be set lower than 60 on systems with high network traffic. =
Setting
    this parameter higher allows the NIC to buffer larger bursts of =
jumbo
    traffic without dropping frames, especially on slower systems. Note =
that
    each descriptor requires a buffer the size of a maximum jumbo frame.
    On systems with insufficient memory, it may be necessary to reduce =
this
    parameter. When the maximum frame size is less than 1528 (MTU size =
less
    than 1514), this parameter is not used and is always 0.

adaptive_coalesce

    Enables or disables adaptive adjustments to the various interrupt
    coalescing parameters. Enabling it allows the driver to dynamically
    adjust the interrupt coalescing parameters to achieve high =
throughput
    during heavy traffic and low latency during light traffic.
    rx_std_desc_cnt, tx_pkt_desc_cnt, (and rx_jumbo_desc_cnt if using
    jumbo frames) should not be set much lower than their default values
    when this parameter is enabled. The valid values are:

    0      disabled
    1      enabled (default)

rx_coalesce_ticks

    Configures the number of 1 usec ticks before the NIC generates =
receive
    interrupt after receiving a frame. This parameter works in =
conjunction
    with the rx_max_coalesce_frames parameter. Interrupt will be =
generated
    when either of these thresholds is exceeded. 0 means this parameter =
is
    ignored and interrupt will be generated when the =
rx_max_coalesce_frames
    threshold is reached. The valid range is from 0 to 500, and default =
is
    100. This parameter is not used and will be adjusted automatically =
if
    adaptive_coalesce is set to 1.

rx_max_coalesce_frames

    Configures the number of received frames before the NIC generates =
receive
    interrupt. The valid range is from 0 to 100, and default is 10. This
    parameter and rx_coalesce_ticks cannot be both 0, otherwise no =
receive
    interrupts will be generated. It should also be set significantly =
lower
    than rx_std_desc_cnt (and rx_jumbo_desc_cnt if using jumbo frames). =
This
    parameter is not used and will be adjusted automatically if
    adaptive_coalesce is set to 1.

tx_coalesce_ticks

    Configures the number of 1 usec ticks before the NIC generates =
transmit
    interrupt after transmitting a frame. This parameter works in =
conjunction
    with the tx_max_coalesce_frames parameter. Interrupt will be =
generated
    when either of these thresholds is exceeded. 0 means this
    parameter is ignored and interrupt will be generated when the
    tx_max_coalesce_frames threshold is reached. The valid range is from =
0 to
    500, and default is 400. This parameter is not used and will be =
adjusted
    automatically if adaptive_coalesce is set to 1.

tx_max_coalesce_frames

    Configures the number of transmitted frames before the NIC generates
    transmit interrupt. The valid range is from 0 to 100, and default is =
40.
    This parameter and tx_coalesce_ticks cannot be both 0, otherwise no
    transmit completion interrupt will be generated. This parameter =
should
    always be set lower than tx_pkt_desc_cnt. This parameter is not used =
and
    will be adjusted automatically if adaptive_coalesce is set to 1.

stats_coalesce_ticks

    Configures the number of 1 usec ticks between periodic statistics =
block
    DMAs. The valid range is from 0 to 3600000000, and default is =
1000000
    (1 sec.).  Set to 0 to disable statistics updates. This parameter is =
not
    used and will be set to default if adaptive_coalesce is set to 1.

enable_wol

    Enables or disables magic packet Wake-On-LAN when the system is =
shutdown.
    Note that not all systems support Wake-On-LAN. The valid values are:

    0    magic packet Wake-On-LAN disabled (default)
    1    magic packet Wake-On-LAN enabled


Driver Messages
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

The following are the most common sample messages that may be logged in =
the file
/var/log/messages. Use dmesg -n <level> to control the level at which =
messages
will appear on the console. Most systems are set to level 6 by default.

Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet Driver bcm5700 with Broadcom NIC Extension =
(NICE)
ver. 2.2.19 (04/10/02)

    Driver signon


eth#: Broadcom BCM5701 1000Base-T found at mem faff0000, IRQ 16, node =
addr
0010180402d8
eth#: Broadcom BCM5701 Integrated Copper transceiver found
eth#: Scatter-gather ON, 64-bit DMA ON, Tx Checksum ON, Rx Checksum ON

    NIC detected


bcm5700: eth# NIC Link is Up, 1000 Mbps full duplex

    Link up and speed indication


bcm5700: eth# NIC Link is Down

    Link down indication


Statistics
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Detailed statistics and configuration information can be viewed in the =
file
/proc/net/nicinfo/eth#.info.


Revision History
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
v2.2.20 (05/02/02)

- Fixed a problem that caused ia64 to crash.
- Added workaround for ICH and ICH0 chipsets.

v2.2.19 (04/10/02)

- Fixed a panic problem on 5700 under heavy traffic on certain machines.
- Reduced code size slightly.
- Added necessary delays after changes to GPIO.

v2.2.18 (04/03/02)

- Added new OEM subsystem IDs.
- Fixed some ethtool problems.

v2.2.17 (04/02/02)

- Adjusted some delay loops to avoid hangs during intermittent failures.

v2.2.12 (03/27/02)

- Minor fix for some fiber related issues.

v2.2.11 (03/23/02)

- Adjusted fiber autoneg scheme to be consistent with other Broadcom
  drivers.

v2.2.10 (03/21/02)

- Changed Fiber LED to software control.
- Fixed 4 GByte boundary check for 5700.

v2.2.9 (03/13/02)

- Fixed a hang problem on 5703S with cable disconnected.

v2.2.8 (03/07/02)

- More changes to fiber autonegotiation - interrupt with polling backup
  for fiber link changes.

v2.2.7 (03/06/02)

- Made some changes to autonegotiation of fiber.

v2.2.6 (03/05/02)

- Added fix for 5703S.
- Improved adaptive interrupt coalescing.
- Fixed a problem in WOL.

v2.2.5 (02/27/02)

- Fixed a big endian problem.

v2.2.4 (02/27/02)

- Added new device IDs for 5703/5702.
- Fixed parity error NMIs with 5703 on PCIX systems.
- Added Ethernet@WireSpeed.

v2.2.3 (02/07/02)

- Fixed EEPROM corruption during repeated load/unload of the driver.
- Changed driver to use polling for fiber link changes.

v2.2.1 (01/23/02)

- Increased eeprom timing delays for slower clocks.

v2.2.0 (01/22/02)

- First release for 5702/5703 A1.

v2.0.34 (01/04/02)

- Fixed data corruption problem on PCIX systems under heavy traffic.

v2.0.32 (01/02/02)

- No change.

v2.0.31 (12/14/01)

- Changed i/o accesses to use writel/readl macros.
- Fixed problem when loading driver on an OEM LOM with no cable =
attached.
- Fixed problem of setting IFF_ALLMULTI.
- Changed to use pci_map_page to map the zero copy transmit fragments.

v2.0.28 (11/05/01)

- Added SIOCETHTOOL ioctl support.

v2.0.27 (10/26/01)

- Fixed a link up problem for an OEM LOM.

v2.0.26 (10/25/01)

- Added 5702 support.

v2.0.25 (10/22/01)

- Added Rx_Short_Fragments and other counters.
- Added code to detect AMD762 Northbridge and enable PCI ordering on =
that chip.

v2.0.24 (09/19/01)

- Fixed intermittent link failures.

v2.0.21 (09/14/01)

- Fixed zero copy failure.

v2.0.19 (09/11/01)

- Fixed the problem of over reporting CRC errors.
- Fixed the problem of late collisions in 1000Mbps half duplex.

v2.0.18 (08/24/01)

- Added same fix in 2.0.17 for the latest A3 chips.

v2.0.17 (08/22/01)

- Fixed a lock-up problem when loading fibre card with no cable =
attached.

v2.0.16 (08/18/01)

- Fixed a panic caused by an interrupt before the NIC is fully =
initialized.

v2.0.15 (08/14/01)

- Fixed a problem that caused unnecessary resets to the chip during
heavy traffic.

v2.0.14 (08/09/01)

- Lowered core clock freq. in latest 5701 chip in 100Mbps WOL mode.

v2.0.12 (08/02/01)

- Fixed a 100Mbps fixed speed problem.
- Fixed the accidental clearing of RX stats during link changes.
- Added reentrancy protection in tasklet so that it will work on RH7.2 =
beta3.

v2.0.11 (07/19/01)

- Fixed some fiber autonegotiation problems.

v2.0.10 (07/13/01)

- Added promiscuous mode support.
- Improved performance, especially on 5700 chips.

v2.0.9 (07/04/01)

- Fixed IA64 DMA alignment problem.

v2.0.8 (07/03/01)

- Fixed panic during ifdown.

v2.0.7 (07/01/01)

- Fixed problems with fibre cards.
- Added 100Mbps WOL for 5701 B2 chip.

v2.0.6 (06/22/01)

- Improved adaptive receive interrupt coalescing.
- Added LED blinking ioctl.
- Added support for new boards.
- Fixed hang problem when cable is not attached.

v2.0.5 (06/18/01)

- Some performance improvements.
- Added adaptive receive interrupt coalescing.
- Preliminary release for IA64.

v2.0.4 (06/01/01)

- Fixed a problem with multiple cards using jumbo frames.

v2.0.3 (05/22/01)

- Fixed panic during hotplug.
- Fixed RPM error on Mandrake.

v2.0.2 (05/21/01)

- Fixed a spin lock problem.

v2.0.1 (05/18/01)

- Fixed memory leak when unloading driver.

v1.5.6 (05/11/01)

- Added additional OEM support.
- Added Wake-On-LAN support.

v1.5.4 (05/04/01)

- Fixed interrupt and TX hung problem on 5701.
- Added OEM strings.

v1.5.3 (04/26/01)

- Fixed parameter defaults.
- Added /proc filesystem reporting.

v1.5.2 (04/18/01)

- Fixed bug in transmit IP checksum.

v1.5.1 (04/15/01)

- Added scatter/gather, HIGHMEM DMA, and IP transmit checksum offload =
for the
  TUX kernel.
- Added support of BCM5701.

v1.5.0 (03/14/01)

- Added Fibre transceiver support.

v1.4.6 (02/14/01)

- Fixed the problem of dropping VLAN tagged 802.2/802.3 frames.
- Fixed Makefile to work in non Red Hat environments.
- Fixed the problem of over-counting receive errors.

v1.4.5 (01/31/01)

- Added PCI-X support for BCM5700.
- Fixed Jumbo frame problems by modifying some thresholds and increased
Jumbo frame size to 9K.

v1.4.4 (01/18/01)

- Fixed the problem of transmit congestion during very heavy traffic in =
pre-
2.4.0 kernels.

v1.4.3 (01/10/01)

- Changed driver to use new PCI DMA functions in 2.4 kernel.

v1.4.2 (01/03/01)

- Changed driver to use spin locks for SMP machines.
- Added spin locks around PRIVATE ioctls for MII registers .

v1.4.1 (12/26/00)

- Made changes for B1 chips.

v1.4.0 (12/19/00)

- Made changes for 2.4.0 kernel.

v1.3.8 (12/13/00)

- Fixed the problem of setting a user assigned MAC address.
- Added VLAN support for BASP.

v1.3.7 (12/01/00)

- Added code to handle BCM5401 B0 phy chips.

v1.3.6 (11/22/00)

- Fixed LED problems.

v1.3.5 (11/21/00)

- Fixed some flow control auto negotiation problems.

v1.3.4 (11/17/00)

- Fixed a problem of missing interrupts.
- Resolved all fixed speed related problems.

v1.3.3 (11/13/00)

- Fixed the problem of memory allocation failure in some machines.

v1.3.2 (11/09/00)

- Made more changes regarding fixed speeds. Also removed manual =
selection
  of 1000 Mbps.
- Made a SRPM package.

v1.03b (10/31/00)

- Fixed problems #452, #441, #364, and other speed related problems in =
the
  Lower Module.

v1.03 (10/30/00)

- Released Lower Module as tigon3.o.

v1.02c (10/27/00)

- Fixed the fixed speed problem in Lower Module.

v1.02b (10/24/00)

- Added new parameters for flow control settings.
- Fixed problem with uninitialized statistics counters (problem #338).

v1.02  (10/16/00)

- Modified for B0 chips, should also work for other chips.
- Reenabled TCP/UDP receive hardware checksums.

v1.01b (10/09/00)

- Changed driver to use pci* routines instead of pcibios* routines to =
obtain
  the correct IRQ on some MP machines.
- Resolved Problems #253, #257.

v1.01 (09/27/00)

- Added statistics collection function.
- Added jumbo frames support.
- Added MII related ioctl calls.
- Disabled UDP/TCP receive checksum offload to workaround a memory =
corruption
  problem in A1 chips.
- Fixed interrupt sharing problem.

v1.00 (09/13/00)

-First release of the driver for BCM5700 A1 chips.

=1A
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2CDF6.D67A8DC0--


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb  6 21:04:41 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:04:41 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp>
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp>
Message-ID: <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net>

this driver would work for getting a stand-alone installation to work, bu=
t it=20
doesn't help with etherboot (and therefore LTSP).  as jeremy suggested, i=
t is=20
probably possible to make a special boot disk that would provide the kern=
el=20
and other necessary modules for LTSP, that's not a road i really feel lik=
e=20
travelling down right now.  but if anyone else wants to give it a go, mor=
e=20
power to them.

jason

On Thursday 06 February 2003 15:45, Rock Roskam wrote:
> I found a linux driver for for the Broadcom cards.  Attached is the
> readme file.  If there is a driver can we make ltsp work? Or do we have
> to set up by etherboot.
>
> Rock Roskam
> Manager
> Eclectic LAN
> 9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
> Raleigh, NC 27613
> (919) 845-7407
> rock@eclecticlan.com
> www.eclecticlan.com


From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 08:24:38 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:24:38 -0600
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp> <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>

Hmm, I used to make etherboot images.  It was years ago but as I recall the
process was very generic and easy (once you had done about 20 of them)...  I
put a disk in one of the workstations, installed everything I needed to
boot, find the network, and mount network drives.  Then I simply copied the
existing files and directories up to a server and ran a few programs that
converted the files/directories into a bootp image.  After that I logged
into the bootp server and told it to load this image for these MAC
addresses.  Bing - Bam - Boom.  Easy as pie.

Since this was well over 10 years ago, I can't image that the process has
gotten any more complex.

Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Tower" <jason@cerient.net>
To: <rhce@trilug.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [RHCE] Network Driver


this driver would work for getting a stand-alone installation to work, but
it
doesn't help with etherboot (and therefore LTSP).  as jeremy suggested, it
is
probably possible to make a special boot disk that would provide the kernel
and other necessary modules for LTSP, that's not a road i really feel like
travelling down right now.  but if anyone else wants to give it a go, more
power to them.

jason

On Thursday 06 February 2003 15:45, Rock Roskam wrote:
> I found a linux driver for for the Broadcom cards.  Attached is the
> readme file.  If there is a driver can we make ltsp work? Or do we have
> to set up by etherboot.
>
> Rock Roskam
> Manager
> Eclectic LAN
> 9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
> Raleigh, NC 27613
> (919) 845-7407
> rock@eclecticlan.com
> www.eclecticlan.com

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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 13:23:45 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 07 Feb 2003 08:23:45 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp>
 <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net>
 <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
Message-ID: <1044624233.1347.2.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

Hey Jon,
We've got the server-side setup covered; that comes with LTSP.

The problem is getting the Ethernet card to boot off the network.  Ten
years ago you probably had cards with Boot ROMs that were able to do a
BOOTP and TFTP download.  Current Ethernet cards do not have this
capability, and physical boot ROMs are expensive.  So that's why you
have to use these special "etherboot" floppies that simulate the boot
ROMs.

--Jeremy

On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 03:24, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hmm, I used to make etherboot images.  It was years ago but as I recall the
> process was very generic and easy (once you had done about 20 of them)...  I
> put a disk in one of the workstations, installed everything I needed to
> boot, find the network, and mount network drives.  Then I simply copied the
> existing files and directories up to a server and ran a few programs that
> converted the files/directories into a bootp image.  After that I logged
> into the bootp server and told it to load this image for these MAC
> addresses.  Bing - Bam - Boom.  Easy as pie.
> 
> Since this was well over 10 years ago, I can't image that the process has
> gotten any more complex.
> 
> Jon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Tower" <jason@cerient.net>
> To: <rhce@trilug.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [RHCE] Network Driver
> 
> 
> this driver would work for getting a stand-alone installation to work, but
> it
> doesn't help with etherboot (and therefore LTSP).  as jeremy suggested, it
> is
> probably possible to make a special boot disk that would provide the kernel
> and other necessary modules for LTSP, that's not a road i really feel like
> travelling down right now.  but if anyone else wants to give it a go, more
> power to them.
> 
> jason
> 
> On Thursday 06 February 2003 15:45, Rock Roskam wrote:
> > I found a linux driver for for the Broadcom cards.  Attached is the
> > readme file.  If there is a driver can we make ltsp work? Or do we have
> > to set up by etherboot.
> >
> > Rock Roskam
> > Manager
> > Eclectic LAN
> > 9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
> > Raleigh, NC 27613
> > (919) 845-7407
> > rock@eclecticlan.com
> > www.eclecticlan.com
> 
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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 13:53:24 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Frank Pittenger)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:53:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Red Dwarf Meeting - was Re: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <200302061512.12211.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <ML-3.4.1044626004.4086.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>

A Red Dwarf meeting sounds great.

Frank

On  6-Feb-03 at 15:13, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> sweet!  could i persuade you to let me borrow them between trilug meetings?
>   or we can have a combined rhce/red dwarf meeting at my place.  BYOV
> (bring  your own vindaloo)
> 
> i read the book while in england, someone loaned it to me.  actually, i
> think  there are two or three books.
> 
> jason
> 
> On Thursday 06 February 2003 14:37, Frank Pittenger wrote:
> > I have the first 6 episodes on two VHS tapes.  This is the retail version
> > (not taped off television).  I also have the book which covers an
> > extensive period of the story.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > On  6-Feb-03 at 12:48, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> > > what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've
> > > only seen  maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a
> > > movie, any idea  who the cast members will be?
> > >
> > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
> > > > and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about
> > > > Red Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't
> > > > imagine what that is going to be like!
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my
> > > > > mail comes from holly.cerient.net.
> > > > >
> > > > > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel
> > > > > in brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.
> > > > >  i even put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG)
> > > > > which is only a couple of miles away from where adams was raised. 
> > > > > anyway, i mentioned that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked
> > > > > me how i liked red dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard
> > > > > of it. genuinely surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in
> > > > > england than HGTTG), they told me about the show and the rest is
> > > > > history. 
> > > > >
> > > > > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but
> > > > > stopped a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> > > > >
> > > > > jason
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > > > > running.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JonC
> > > > > >
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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 13:55:44 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Holton, Steven [NC1:JR04:EXCH])
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:55:44 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp>
 <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net>
 <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2> <1044624233.1347.2.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <3E43BAE0.617B0BCE@nortelnetworks.com>

Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> 
> Hey Jon,
> We've got the server-side setup covered; that comes with LTSP.
> 
> The problem is getting the Ethernet card to boot off the network.  Ten
> years ago you probably had cards with Boot ROMs that were able to do a
> BOOTP and TFTP download. Current Ethernet cards do not have this
> capability,... 

What's this world coming to?

> ...and physical boot ROMs are expensive. 

The ROM's aren't that expensive (although it's probably about the same as
a whole new NIC.  Again, I ask, what's this world coming to?


> So that's why you
> have to use these special "etherboot" floppies that simulate the boot
> ROMs.

OTOH, that does fit into the "never fix in hardware that which can be fixed
in software" rule.

It would be a tangental (and non-RHCE) exercise, but if we need to 
burn PROM's I can do this.

-- 
Steve Holton                                       ESN 35-18811

From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 13:55:08 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:55:08 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp> <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net> <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
Message-ID: <200302070855.09283.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Friday 07 February 2003 03:24, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hmm, I used to make etherboot images.  It was years ago but as I recall the
> process was very generic and easy (once you had done about 20 of them)...

Sure, abolutely. But...

The server is already installed. The clients, are "production" machines that 
just cannot be wiped out as they are Rock's bread'n'butter. We cannot mess 
with them.

And the second problem is the NIC cards themselves: they are a 
motherboard-integrated, Gigabit-ethernet only supported in the very latest 
kernels. All this has made them (so far) impossible to get a floppy image 
from rom-o-matic.


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068

From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 14:11:18 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jon Carnes)
Date: 07 Feb 2003 09:11:18 -0500
Subject: Red Dwarf Meeting - was Re: [RHCE] server is up
In-Reply-To: <ML-3.4.1044626004.4086.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>
References: <ML-3.4.1044626004.4086.fpitteng@fpitteng-u5.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <1044627082.2220.0.camel@Anns1.nc.rr.com>

+1 Count me in!

On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 08:53, Frank Pittenger wrote:
> 
> A Red Dwarf meeting sounds great.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On  6-Feb-03 at 15:13, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> > sweet!  could i persuade you to let me borrow them between trilug meetings?
> >   or we can have a combined rhce/red dwarf meeting at my place.  BYOV
> > (bring  your own vindaloo)
> > 
> > i read the book while in england, someone loaned it to me.  actually, i
> > think  there are two or three books.
> > 
> > jason
> > 
> > On Thursday 06 February 2003 14:37, Frank Pittenger wrote:
> > > I have the first 6 episodes on two VHS tapes.  This is the retail version
> > > (not taped off television).  I also have the book which covers an
> > > extensive period of the story.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > On  6-Feb-03 at 12:48, Jason Tower (jason@cerient.net) wrote:
> > > > what i'd really like is to find someone who has them on tape.  i've
> > > > only seen  maybe half of the episodes.  and no, i've not heard about a
> > > > movie, any idea  who the cast members will be?
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 01:35, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > > Cool Beans!  We should get together for lunch at India Mahal sometime
> > > > > and partake of their curry Vendalu while swapping inside jokes about
> > > > > Red Dwarf.  You know the movie is due out this Thanksgiving... Can't
> > > > > imagine what that is going to be like!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2003-02-06 at 00:28, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > > if you'll check the full mail header i think you'll find that my
> > > > > > mail comes from holly.cerient.net.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when i was working in england a few years ago, i stayed at a hotel
> > > > > > in brentwood, essex, where the late, great douglas adams was born.
> > > > > >  i even put away a few pints in the Horse and Groom (ref. HGTTG)
> > > > > > which is only a couple of miles away from where adams was raised. 
> > > > > > anyway, i mentioned that i was a douglas adams fan and someone asked
> > > > > > me how i liked red dwarf, to which i replied that i had never heard
> > > > > > of it. genuinely surprised (because RD is more popular/well known in
> > > > > > england than HGTTG), they told me about the show and the rest is
> > > > > > history. 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wral-tv used to show two episodes every saturday at midnight but
> > > > > > stopped a year or two ago.  boo-smegging-hoo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jason
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday 06 February 2003 00:18, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 23:12, Jason Tower wrote:
> > > > > > > > the linux server (hostname "rimmer") at eclecticlan is up and
> > > > > > > > running.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Rimmer"... Any chance that you're a Red Dwarf fan?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JonC
> > > > > > >
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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 15:49:22 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:49:22 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp> <200302061604.41418.jason@cerient.net> <00e701c2ce82$5ae01360$1501a8c0@anncons2>
Message-ID: <200302071049.22304.jason@cerient.net>

if you really want to make it easy, this is what you need:

http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/cat/info/dlw-L100b.html?vtPZy=
vQV;;107

it's a standard nic with a custom etherboot eprom onboard.  it can be use=
d in=20
a ltsp workstation with no moving parts whatsoever - no HDD, no cdrom, no=
=20
floppy.  not too shabby for $35.

the other option that i prefer is to install intel 10/100 nics and use th=
e=20
boot floppy.  i've tried a bunch of nics with etherboot and ltsp and inte=
ls=20
just work the best.  they're $33 at neweg with free shipping.

the final option is to use pxe (again, best supported by intel, who i bel=
ieve=20
developed the spec).  check out this article for what's involved:

http://ltsp.org/documentation/pxe.howto.html

i actually found a better pxe article a few months ago but neglected to=20
bookmark it.  if i find it again i'll post it.

jason

On Friday 07 February 2003 03:24, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hmm, I used to make etherboot images.  It was years ago but as I recall=
 the
> process was very generic and easy (once you had done about 20 of them).=
=2E.=20
> I put a disk in one of the workstations, installed everything I needed =
to
> boot, find the network, and mount network drives.  Then I simply copied=
 the
> existing files and directories up to a server and ran a few programs th=
at
> converted the files/directories into a bootp image.  After that I logge=
d
> into the bootp server and told it to load this image for these MAC
> addresses.  Bing - Bam - Boom.  Easy as pie.
>
> Since this was well over 10 years ago, I can't image that the process h=
as
> gotten any more complex.
>
> Jon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Tower" <jason@cerient.net>
> To: <rhce@trilug.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [RHCE] Network Driver
>
>
> this driver would work for getting a stand-alone installation to work, =
but
> it
> doesn't help with etherboot (and therefore LTSP).  as jeremy suggested,=
 it
> is
> probably possible to make a special boot disk that would provide the ke=
rnel
> and other necessary modules for LTSP, that's not a road i really feel l=
ike
> travelling down right now.  but if anyone else wants to give it a go, m=
ore
> power to them.
>
> jason
>
> On Thursday 06 February 2003 15:45, Rock Roskam wrote:
> > I found a linux driver for for the Broadcom cards.  Attached is the
> > readme file.  If there is a driver can we make ltsp work? Or do we ha=
ve
> > to set up by etherboot.
> >
> > Rock Roskam
> > Manager
> > Eclectic LAN
> > 9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
> > Raleigh, NC 27613
> > (919) 845-7407
> > rock@eclecticlan.com
> > www.eclecticlan.com
>
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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb  7 15:54:40 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:54:40 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Network Driver
In-Reply-To: <3E43BAE0.617B0BCE@nortelnetworks.com>
References: <001001c2ce20$bf5095c0$6501a8c0@proxp> <1044624233.1347.2.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3E43BAE0.617B0BCE@nortelnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <200302071054.40245.jason@cerient.net>

you can download the prom code directly from rom-o-matic, if you can do a=
 test=20
burn inexpensively, go for it.  check disklessworkstations.com for the=20
correct prom's to use.

jason

> It would be a tangental (and non-RHCE) exercise, but if we need to
> burn PROM's I can do this.


From rhce@trilug.org  Sun Feb  9 04:43:56 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:43:56 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] pxe
Message-ID: <200302082343.56138.jason@cerient.net>

http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php

in case anyone wants to play around with it.

From rhce@trilug.org  Tue Feb 11 00:23:00 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (gregbrown@mindspring.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:23:00 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [RHCE] the LTSP server
Message-ID: <7444421.1044922981557.JavaMail.nobody@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

I have a quetion about the LTSP server that was set up for the RHCE study group (which I'll have to hit the next RHCE study group - my travels are getting in the way of my going to the group).

Anyway, I understand the server is a Celeron 500Mhz or so with something like 256 megs of RAM.  Correct?  Just how many desktops can you serve from this machine?  Is there some kind of formula where you can plug in the number of diskless stations served vs. bandwidth vs. server RAM and processor?

The reason I ask is I am working on a proposal for a DOD job in Korea where I would have diskless workstations connecting to a server via LTSP.  All I need to provide for the diskless workstations is a Phoenix browser and Evolution mail client (both of which can be changed according to how the project progresses).

Thanks.  

Trolling for info,

Greg



From rhce@trilug.org  Tue Feb 11 00:26:53 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (gregbrown@mindspring.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:26:53 -0500 (GMT)
Subject: [RHCE] the LTSP server
Message-ID: <1190661.1044923214044.JavaMail.nobody@wamui06.slb.atl.earthlink.net>

..and I'll need to serve OpenOffice 1.0 as well.

Greg

-------Original Message-------
From: "gregbrown@mindspring.com" <gregbrown@mindspring.com>
Sent: 02/10/03 07:23 PM
To: rhce@trilug.org
Subject: [RHCE] the LTSP server

> 
> I have a quetion about the LTSP server that was set up for the RHCE study
group (which I'll have to hit the next RHCE study group - my travels are
getting in the way of my going to the group).

Anyway, I understand the server is a Celeron 500Mhz or so with something
like 256 megs of RAM.  Correct?  Just how many desktops can you serve from
this machine?  Is there some kind of formula where you can plug in the
number of diskless stations served vs. bandwidth vs. server RAM and processor?

The reason I ask is I am working on a proposal for a DOD job in Korea
where I would have diskless workstations connecting to a server via LTSP.  All
I need to provide for the diskless workstations is a Phoenix browser and
Evolution mail client (both of which can be changed according to how the
project progresses).

Thanks.  

Trolling for info,

Greg


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From rhce@trilug.org  Tue Feb 11 02:48:15 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:48:15 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] the LTSP server
In-Reply-To: <7444421.1044922981557.JavaMail.nobody@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
References: <7444421.1044922981557.JavaMail.nobody@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200302102148.15063.jason@cerient.net>

no formula per se.  run top and keep adding stations until you swap heavi=
ly=20
(then add more memory) or until cpu usage gets too high (then get a faste=
r=20
box).  you'll sustain way more users with a lightweight WM like xfce,=20
fluxbox, etc than with gnome or kde.  standard 100Mb ethernet should be m=
ore=20
than fast enough for dozens of users.

jason

On Monday 10 February 2003 19:23, gregbrown@mindspring.com wrote:
> I have a quetion about the LTSP server that was set up for the RHCE stu=
dy
> group (which I'll have to hit the next RHCE study group - my travels ar=
e
> getting in the way of my going to the group).
>
> Anyway, I understand the server is a Celeron 500Mhz or so with somethin=
g
> like 256 megs of RAM.  Correct?  Just how many desktops can you serve f=
rom
> this machine?  Is there some kind of formula where you can plug in the
> number of diskless stations served vs. bandwidth vs. server RAM and
> processor?
>
> The reason I ask is I am working on a proposal for a DOD job in Korea w=
here
> I would have diskless workstations connecting to a server via LTSP.  Al=
l I
> need to provide for the diskless workstations is a Phoenix browser and
> Evolution mail client (both of which can be changed according to how th=
e
> project progresses).
>
> Thanks.
>
> Trolling for info,
>
> Greg
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 00:00:58 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Greg)
Date: 11 Feb 2003 19:00:58 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] the LTSP server
In-Reply-To: <200302102148.15063.jason@cerient.net>
References: <7444421.1044922981557.JavaMail.nobody@wamui01.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
 <200302102148.15063.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <1045008063.15355.9.camel@paloverde>

Actually I found an article that stated that it would be possible to
handle between 200 and 300 thin clients from one single P-III server
(dual processor, though and probably with plenty of RAM).  I had spec'ed
out a few dual AMDs as the servers so processing won't be an issue (RAM
certainly will - as will enough disk space to server the users).

Here is the article:

<"http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2860180,00.html">

Greg

On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 21:48, Jason Tower wrote:
> no formula per se.  run top and keep adding stations until you swap heavily 
> (then add more memory) or until cpu usage gets too high (then get a faster 
> box).  you'll sustain way more users with a lightweight WM like xfce, 
> fluxbox, etc than with gnome or kde.  standard 100Mb ethernet should be more 
> than fast enough for dozens of users.
> 
> jason
> 
> On Monday 10 February 2003 19:23, gregbrown@mindspring.com wrote:
> > I have a quetion about the LTSP server that was set up for the RHCE study
> > group (which I'll have to hit the next RHCE study group - my travels are
> > getting in the way of my going to the group).
> >
> > Anyway, I understand the server is a Celeron 500Mhz or so with something
> > like 256 megs of RAM.  Correct?  Just how many desktops can you serve from
> > this machine?  Is there some kind of formula where you can plug in the
> > number of diskless stations served vs. bandwidth vs. server RAM and
> > processor?
> >
> > The reason I ask is I am working on a proposal for a DOD job in Korea where
> > I would have diskless workstations connecting to a server via LTSP.  All I
> > need to provide for the diskless workstations is a Phoenix browser and
> > Evolution mail client (both of which can be changed according to how the
> > project progresses).
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Trolling for info,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
> >    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 15:16:47 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 12 Feb 2003 10:16:47 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
Message-ID: <1045063014.15652.49.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

So, we're meeting online tonight, channel #trilug-rhce on
irc.trilug.org, right?  starting around 8pm ?

Lisa, did you get a chance to organize the syllabus at all?

--Jeremy




From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 16:49:22 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:49:22 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <1045063014.15652.49.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1045063014.15652.49.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <200302121149.22586.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:16 am, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> So, we're meeting online tonight, channel #trilug-rhce on
> irc.trilug.org, right?  starting around 8pm ?

That's my intention .

> Lisa, did you get a chance to organize the syllabus at all?

It's my task to do it. You'll see it by 8:00 pm



Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 20:57:51 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Scott Lundgren)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:57:51 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <200302121149.22586.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBKCCAELELMGGNOHJPIEAMCJAA.s_l@mindspring.com>

I've not used IRC much, and would rather use one multi-protocol app than
install xchat or bitchX.
does anyone use gaim's IRC plug-in for IRC?
is there anything I need to set besides picking an unused nick ?
what is the port # for the server? gaim's default is 6667.

danke,
SL



From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 21:15:22 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:15:22 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <NGBBKCCAELELMGGNOHJPIEAMCJAA.s_l@mindspring.com>
References: <NGBBKCCAELELMGGNOHJPIEAMCJAA.s_l@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <200302121615.22989.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 12 February 2003 03:57 pm, Scott Lundgren wrote:
> I've not used IRC much, and would rather use one multi-protocol app than
> install xchat or bitchX.

Both xchat and Ksirc are pretty easy to use and very straightforward. Really. 
Even I can use them.

> does anyone use gaim's IRC plug-in for IRC?

You will need the latest gaim-cvs tar.gz to get gaim use irc pluggin. Not for 
the faint of heart.

> is there anything I need to set besides picking an unused nick ?

nope

> what is the port # for the server? gaim's default is 6667.

default.



Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 21:18:38 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 12 Feb 2003 16:18:38 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <NGBBKCCAELELMGGNOHJPIEAMCJAA.s_l@mindspring.com>
References: <NGBBKCCAELELMGGNOHJPIEAMCJAA.s_l@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1045084722.15652.131.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 15:57, Scott Lundgren wrote:
> 
> I've not used IRC much, and would rather use one multi-protocol app than
> install xchat or bitchX.
> does anyone use gaim's IRC plug-in for IRC?
> is there anything I need to set besides picking an unused nick ?
> what is the port # for the server? gaim's default is 6667.

I understand that gaim's IRC plug-in is somewhat buggy and hard to use.
I tried it once and got nowhere. Xchat is very simple, you should have
no problems figuring it out.  If you want a console-based IRC client, I
recommend irssi instead of BitchX.

I have no idea what port the IRC network uses; I've never had to set
it.  So I guess don't worry about it.  From googling it looks like 6667
is right however.

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 12 23:22:37 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:22:37 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <200302121149.22586.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <1045063014.15652.49.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <200302121149.22586.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <200302121822.38398.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:49, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 February 2003 10:16 am, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> > So, we're meeting online tonight, channel #trilug-rhce on
> > irc.trilug.org, right?  starting around 8pm ?
>
> That's my intention .
>
> > Lisa, did you get a chance to organize the syllabus at all?
>
> It's my task to do it. 

I have a version now uploaded at my trilug's website. Check out 

http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/

Or, as the Black Adder would say, "the worst website ever made since, in 1998, 
Bill Gates decided to get his own website, buyed a domain name, with a typo, 
and got on-line his now infamous http://vvv.microsocks.con/in-the-x.htm"

> You'll see it by 8:00 pm


BTW, is it at 7:00 or at 8:00 that we are meeting tonight on IRC?




Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068

From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 13 01:17:02 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:17:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] Online meeting tonight?
In-Reply-To: <200302121149.22586.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302122011160.16221-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

> > So, we're meeting online tonight, channel #trilug-rhce on
> > irc.trilug.org, right?  starting around 8pm ?
> 
> That's my intention .
> 
> > Lisa, did you get a chance to organize the syllabus at all?
> 
> It's my task to do it. You'll see it by 8:00 pm

i was supposed to type up the notes and post them, and i failed to do so.  
mea culpa. :( (i left them at my desk at work, and have been sequestered
in the datacenter for the last 3 days because i'm slammed this week with
prep for work that i have to do this weekend.)

i'll try to get it done by the end of the weekend, tho.

							lisa

-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin@1000plus.com  |  http://www.1000plus.com/lisa/
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol


From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb 14 05:05:09 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE meeting 2/19/03
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302140003560.22148-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

hi all!

the RHCE study group has gotten (relatively) organized and will have its
first content presentation this coming Wednesday, 2/19/03.  details, a
syllabus, and a projected schedule are available at

http://www.trilug.org/~lisa/rhce2003.html

take a look at the schedule, decide whether you're up for 16 wednesdays of
free linux education, and if so, come join us!

                                        regards,

                                                lisa


-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin@1000plus.com  |  http://www.1000plus.com/lisa/
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol


From rhce@trilug.org  Mon Feb 17 03:39:43 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Gregory Woodbury)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:39:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE meeting 2/19/03
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302140003560.22148-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com> from "Lisa Lorenzin" at Feb 14, 2003 12:05:09 AM
Message-ID: <200302170339.h1H3dhPE031383@wolves.homeip.net>

"It was written once upon a time (by Lisa Lorenzin):"
> the RHCE study group has gotten (relatively) organized and will have its
> first content presentation this coming Wednesday, 2/19/03.  details, a
> syllabus, and a projected schedule are available at
> 
> http://www.trilug.org/~lisa/rhce2003.html
> 
> take a look at the schedule, decide whether you're up for 16 wednesdays of
> free linux education, and if so, come join us!

I've read through the syllabus and the IRC logs, and I'm extremely
interested in Joining y'all.  Is there still room? (for 2?)


-- 
Gregory G. "Wolfe" Woodbury   `-_-'         Owner/Admin: wolves.durham.nc.us
ggw at wolves.durham.nc.us      U
"The Line Eater is a               Hug your wolf.
 Boojum Snark"

From rhce@trilug.org  Mon Feb 17 15:34:41 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:34:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] RHCE meeting 2/19/03
In-Reply-To: <200302170339.h1H3dhPE031383@wolves.homeip.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302171033520.2371-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

> I've read through the syllabus and the IRC logs, and I'm extremely
> interested in Joining y'all.  Is there still room? (for 2?)

certainly - and you haven't missed anything except the organizational 
bits.  come on down! :)

						lisa

-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin@1000plus.com  |  http://www.1000plus.com/lisa/
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol



From rhce@trilug.org  Mon Feb 17 21:22:14 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:22:14 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for wed
Message-ID: <200302171622.14656.jason@cerient.net>

sorry all, i got a little tied up on another project this weekend.  i'll =
try=20
to get notes for the hardware/install session up by tue.

jason

From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 02:23:26 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:23:26 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
Message-ID: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

All,

As posted on http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html , there's a Chinese 
restaurant nearby Eclectic LAN.

The class starts at 8:00 pm. So, if someone wants to have dinner at that 
restaurant, we must get there, say, 1 hour before the class.

I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and 
then, a fearless march to the restaurant?


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Testing Mandrake 9.0 -    Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 02:25:14 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:25:14 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for wed
In-Reply-To: <200302171622.14656.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302171622.14656.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <200302182125.14781.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Monday 17 February 2003 04:2216pm, Jason Tower wrote:
> sorry all, i got a little tied up on another project this weekend.
>  i'll try to get notes for the hardware/install session up by tue.

Hi Jason,

Do you have 'em up on some website?

I could to bring a small box (C566/64MB/9GB/LAN/CD) for testing. I have 
RedHat 8.0 already installed there.

What are your thoughts?


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Testing Mandrake 9.0 -    Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 02:31:03 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:31:03 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
In-Reply-To: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <200302182131.03806.jason@cerient.net>

i'll be there for sure.  hey rock, is it ok if i show up a little early t=
o get=20
set up?

btw, i'm almost done with my write up, i'll post it shortly.  and i gotta=
 tell=20
ya, after two days of studying it, i can say without hesitation that LVM =
is=20
the bomb.  i'll bring a system with dual hard disks tomorrow so we can pl=
ay=20
around with raid and LVM.  maybe not tremendously useful for a home syste=
m,=20
but on a big server with multiple disks and/or arrays LVM can do some nif=
ty=20
stuff.  i'm expecting to spend a fairly significant amount of time on=20
raid/lvm and kickstart tomorrow since a) i have a feeling most folks don'=
t=20
really know that much about them and b) i've heard thru the grapevine tha=
t=20
both play a significant role on the exam.

bis morgen -

jason

On Tuesday 18 February 2003 21:23, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> All,
>
> As posted on http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html , there's a Chines=
e
> restaurant nearby Eclectic LAN.
>
> The class starts at 8:00 pm. So, if someone wants to have dinner at tha=
t
> restaurant, we must get there, say, 1 hour before the class.
>
> I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and
> then, a fearless march to the restaurant?
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 02:32:32 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:32:32 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for wed
In-Reply-To: <200302182125.14781.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200302171622.14656.jason@cerient.net> <200302182125.14781.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <200302182132.32125.jason@cerient.net>

i have a box w/ dual disks all ready to go, so i don't think we will need=
 it. =20
but you can bring it if you want just in case.

jason

On Tuesday 18 February 2003 21:25, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> On Monday 17 February 2003 04:2216pm, Jason Tower wrote:
> > sorry all, i got a little tied up on another project this weekend.
> >  i'll try to get notes for the hardware/install session up by tue.
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> Do you have 'em up on some website?
>
> I could to bring a small box (C566/64MB/9GB/LAN/CD) for testing. I have
> RedHat 8.0 already installed there.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 03:07:42 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:07:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
In-Reply-To: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302182207070.15188-100000@eeyore.1000plus.com>

> I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and 
> then, a fearless march to the restaurant?

i'd love to, but i have a TON of work to do tomorrow, so i'm probably 
going to eat dinner at work and show up at 8 for class.  maybe next time, 
tho!

							lisa

-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin@1000plus.com  |  http://www.1000plus.com/lisa/
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 06:34:00 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:34:00 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for 2/19
Message-ID: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>

cerient.net/rhce

From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 13:47:20 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 19 Feb 2003 08:47:20 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
In-Reply-To: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <1045662444.31963.2.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 21:23, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> All,
> 
> As posted on http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html , there's a Chinese 
> restaurant nearby Eclectic LAN.
> 
> The class starts at 8:00 pm. So, if someone wants to have dinner at that 
> restaurant, we must get there, say, 1 hour before the class.
> 
> I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and 
> then, a fearless march to the restaurant?

I'll meet y'all at the restaurant as soon as I can (might be a little
late depending on when I get out of my class at Durham Tech).

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 14:34:37 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:34:37 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for 2/19
In-Reply-To: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <200302190934.37273.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 01:34 am, Jason Tower wrote:
> cerient.net/rhce

Thanks for the notes!

Some stuff that comes to my mind after reading the notes:

- for SoundCards (even ISA ones), there's the RedHat utility "sndconfig". use 
it from command line. It's pretty good.

- The installer needs 64 MB of RAM to start in GUI mode. If you have a 
videocard that uses shared memory, go for text install, or Anaconda will bite 
you! 

-Anaconda is slower b/c/ has been rewritten using GTK-2 (from Gnome-2.x) with 
Python. IIRC, older Anacondas were also written in Python, although they used 
the (lighter) GTK/GTK+.

- I strongly recommend to set in the bIOS "P'n'P OS=NO".

- Linux Software RAID is pretty stable, AFAIK. It's been included since 7.2 
(IIRC), meaning it's been tested for a while now. As Jason says, though, for 
mission critical, get hardware RAID.

Anyway,

See you tonight!


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 15:03:36 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Rock Roskam)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:03:36 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
In-Reply-To: <200302182131.03806.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <000501c2d828$14559640$6501a8c0@proxp>

Feel free to show up early.
Rock

Rock Roskam
Manager
Eclectic LAN
9113 Leesville Road Suite 105
Raleigh, NC 27613
(919) 845-7407
rock@eclecticlan.com
www.eclecticlan.com


-----Original Message-----
From: rhce-admin@trilug.org [mailto:rhce-admin@trilug.org] On Behalf Of
Jason Tower
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:31 PM
To: rhce@trilug.org
Subject: Re: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting

i'll be there for sure.  hey rock, is it ok if i show up a little early
to get 
set up?

btw, i'm almost done with my write up, i'll post it shortly.  and i
gotta tell 
ya, after two days of studying it, i can say without hesitation that LVM
is 
the bomb.  i'll bring a system with dual hard disks tomorrow so we can
play 
around with raid and LVM.  maybe not tremendously useful for a home
system, 
but on a big server with multiple disks and/or arrays LVM can do some
nifty 
stuff.  i'm expecting to spend a fairly significant amount of time on 
raid/lvm and kickstart tomorrow since a) i have a feeling most folks
don't 
really know that much about them and b) i've heard thru the grapevine
that 
both play a significant role on the exam.

bis morgen -

jason

On Tuesday 18 February 2003 21:23, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> All,
>
> As posted on http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html , there's a
Chinese
> restaurant nearby Eclectic LAN.
>
> The class starts at 8:00 pm. So, if someone wants to have dinner at
that
> restaurant, we must get there, say, 1 hour before the class.
>
> I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and
> then, a fearless march to the restaurant?
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner

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From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 15:14:42 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 19 Feb 2003 10:14:42 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for 2/19
In-Reply-To: <200302190934.37273.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>
 <200302190934.37273.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <1045667686.31963.26.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 09:34, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> On Wednesday 19 February 2003 01:34 am, Jason Tower wrote:
> > cerient.net/rhce
> 
> Thanks for the notes!
> 
> Some stuff that comes to my mind after reading the notes:
> 
> - for SoundCards (even ISA ones), there's the RedHat utility "sndconfig". use 
> it from command line. It's pretty good.

There's also redhat-config-soundcard, which is a GUI version.  This
version is newer and might support cards that sndconfig does not. 
Sndconfig is probably best for older (ie isapnp) cards.

Here some other comments I have on the notes (and thanks Jason for an
excellent job!)

* For SMP systems, after installation, check "uname -a" to see if you're
running that SMP kernel or not, and then check "/proc/cpuinfo" to see if
the additional CPU(s) is being used.

* When creating boot/driver diskettes, always use dd (or rawrite on
DOS), as Jason suggested; don't use "cat filename.img > /dev/fd0". 
Although the latter will work if the floppy is 100% good, and it's a
neat demonstration of how devices work as files, it WON'T REPORT
ERRORS.  So you won't know if you've got a bad floppy.  DD will tell you
if there is an error.

* Jason said he doesn't trust Software RAID, but I think software
mirroring (RAID 1) is a great idea.  With this setup, the partitions are
almost identical to a normal partition without RAID, so if one drive
fails, you can unplug it, fix your fstab to use that drive by itself
instead of the RAID device, and continue on.  RAID 0 and RAID 5 are 
harder to recover from and require much more "trust" in the software
drivers.

* In regards to LVM -- I don't think you really need to worry about the
physical and logical extents.  This is handled by anaconda for you.  You
do need to have a firm grasp of the volume group, physical volume, and
logical volume concepts.

* Kickstart -- I think I may have mentioned this already, but running
the installer w/o KS creates a kickstart file for you, based on what you
answered during the install.  This file is placed in
/root/anaconda-ks.cfg after the installation completes.  This is an easy
way to get started with KS.

There is also a graphical kickstart configurator,
"redhat-config-kickstart"  It's mostly a glorified text editor but it
can be handy.

--Jeremy





From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 19 22:03:02 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:03:02 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Dinning before next meeting
In-Reply-To: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>; from sinner@escomposlinux.org on Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:23:26PM -0500
References: <200302182123.26327.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20030219170302.D18969@eeyore.1000plus.com>

On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:23:26PM -0500, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> All,
> 
> As posted on http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html , there's a Chinese 
> restaurant nearby Eclectic LAN.
> 
> The class starts at 8:00 pm. So, if someone wants to have dinner at that 
> restaurant, we must get there, say, 1 hour before the class.
> 
> I'm in for Chinesse. What do you all say? 7:00 pm at Eclectic LAN and 
> then, a fearless march to the restaurant?

I'm going to stick around and work late(r) tonight since I have a bunch
of things to get done here.  I'll meet y'all at Eclectic LAN at 8pm.
Maybe I'll make it to dinner at the next meeting ... depending on how
goog you say the Chinese is. :)

Mike

-- 
Mike Broome
mbroome(at)employees.org

From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 17:25:24 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 12:25:24 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
Message-ID: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

Hey folks,

Last night we talked quite a bit about the boot process with the two
boot disks (boot.img and bootnet.img), and the driver disks.   You might
be interested to know that this process has changed somewhat with the
new beta of Red Hat Linux ("Phoebe 3" or 8.0.94).  So if you take the
RHCE after the next version is released, be sure to go over this item
again!

If you're interested in seeing the new setup, take a look at:
ftp://ftp.trilug.org/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/images/

As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
"boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
"ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation. 
So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
-- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)

--Jeremy




From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 17:32:49 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:32:49 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <200302201232.49886.jason@cerient.net>

on a somewhat related note, a friend of mine recently installed suse=20
enterprise 8.1.  if you boot the cd and pass the 'vnc=3D1' parameter you =
can=20
install the OS using vnc.  that's right, *install*.  you gotta admit, tha=
t's=20
pretty cool, almost as cool as LVM on top of RAID :-)

jason

On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Last night we talked quite a bit about the boot process with the two
> boot disks (boot.img and bootnet.img), and the driver disks.   You migh=
t
> be interested to know that this process has changed somewhat with the
> new beta of Red Hat Linux ("Phoebe 3" or 8.0.94).  So if you take the
> RHCE after the next version is released, be sure to go over this item
> again!
>
> If you're interested in seeing the new setup, take a look at:
> ftp://ftp.trilug.org/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/imag=
es/
>
> As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
> need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
> "boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
> "ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation.
> So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
> -- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
> 1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> Archives for the RHCE list:
>    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 17:40:38 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jason Tower)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:40:38 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>

i see boot.iso is only 3.6mb.  does anyone have blank business-card size =
CDs? =20
i know stayonline sells them but they're far far away from me here in gar=
ner.

jason

On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Last night we talked quite a bit about the boot process with the two
> boot disks (boot.img and bootnet.img), and the driver disks.   You migh=
t
> be interested to know that this process has changed somewhat with the
> new beta of Red Hat Linux ("Phoebe 3" or 8.0.94).  So if you take the
> RHCE after the next version is released, be sure to go over this item
> again!
>
> If you're interested in seeing the new setup, take a look at:
> ftp://ftp.trilug.org/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/imag=
es/
>
> As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
> need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
> "boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
> "ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation.
> So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
> -- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
> 1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)
>
> --Jeremy
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>    http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
> Archives for the RHCE list:
>    http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 17:46:49 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 12:46:49 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <1045763214.31964.128.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
 
> As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
> need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
> "boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
> "ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation. 
> So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
> -- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
> 1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)

To clarify, the boot floppy still uses syslinux in 8.0.94, but syslinux
is not used in the regular ISO installation CDs, or the boot.iso.

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 17:48:05 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:48:05 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>; from jason@cerient.net on Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:40:38PM -0500
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <20030220124805.A24474@eeyore.1000plus.com>

FWIW.  I just d/l the Phoebe 3 boot.iso and mounted it.  Here's a tree
dump of what's on it:

boot
`-- isolinux
    |-- boot.cat
    |-- boot.msg
    |-- general.msg
    |-- initrd.img
    |-- isolinux.bin
    |-- isolinux.cfg
    |-- options.msg
    |-- param.msg
    |-- rescue.msg
    |-- snake.msg
    |-- splash.lss
    `-- vmlinuz

1 directory, 12 files

I suspect that mounting the iso on a loop device doesn't give access to
the boot code on the CD.  But it looks like it's using isolinux which is
a bootloader that uses the native ISO9660 rather than an emulation mode
to make bootable CDs (see http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php).

Mike

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:40:38PM -0500, Jason Tower wrote:
> i see boot.iso is only 3.6mb.  does anyone have blank business-card size CDs?  
> i know stayonline sells them but they're far far away from me here in garner.
> 
> jason
> 
> On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Last night we talked quite a bit about the boot process with the two
> > boot disks (boot.img and bootnet.img), and the driver disks.   You might
> > be interested to know that this process has changed somewhat with the
> > new beta of Red Hat Linux ("Phoebe 3" or 8.0.94).  So if you take the
> > RHCE after the next version is released, be sure to go over this item
> > again!
> >
> > If you're interested in seeing the new setup, take a look at:
> > ftp://ftp.trilug.org/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/images/
> >
> > As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
> > need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
> > "boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
> > "ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation.
> > So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
> > -- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
> > 1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)
> >
> > --Jeremy

-- 
Mike Broome
mbroome(at)employees.org

From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 18:04:33 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Joseph Tate)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:04:33 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <1045763214.31964.128.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1045763214.31964.128.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <3E5518B1.2020605@dragonstrider.com>

So what's the contents of the isolinux.cfg file?  Is that what you'd 
modify to do an unattended install?

Joseph

Jeremy Portzer wrote:

>On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> 
>  
>
>>As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
>>need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
>>"boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
>>"ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation. 
>>So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
>>-- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
>>1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)
>>    
>>
>
>To clarify, the boot floppy still uses syslinux in 8.0.94, but syslinux
>is not used in the regular ISO installation CDs, or the boot.iso.
>
>--Jeremy
>
>_______________________________________________
>RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>   http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
>Archives for the RHCE list:
>   http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
>  
>


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 18:06:12 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 13:06:12 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <20030220124805.A24474@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
 <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>
 <20030220124805.A24474@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <1045764376.31964.135.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 12:48, Mike Broome wrote:

> 
> 1 directory, 12 files
> 
> I suspect that mounting the iso on a loop device doesn't give access to
> the boot code on the CD.  But it looks like it's using isolinux which is
> a bootloader that uses the native ISO9660 rather than an emulation mode
> to make bootable CDs (see http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php).
> 

Ah, I see that ISOLinux is an improved version of Syslinux rather than a
complete "replacement".  Thanks for the link.

--Jeremy


From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 20:31:55 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:31:55 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <3E5518B1.2020605@dragonstrider.com>; from jtate@dragonstrider.com on Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:04:33PM -0500
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <1045763214.31964.128.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <3E5518B1.2020605@dragonstrider.com>
Message-ID: <20030220153155.A25246@eeyore.1000plus.com>

--zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:04:33PM -0500, Joseph Tate wrote:
> So what's the contents of the isolinux.cfg file?  Is that what you'd 
> modify to do an unattended install?
> 
> Joseph

I've attached the isolinux.cfg file.  According to the web site, it's
the same format as syslinux.cfg.  A description of the options can be
found here: http://syslinux.zytor.com/faq.php#config.

IIRC, from the presentation and discussions last night, you could modify
isolinux.cfg for an unattended install by creating a new label or adding
to an exiting label something like the following:
  append ks=ks.cfg

(From what I've read on the web pages, I think it would then look for
the file ks.cfg in the isolinux directory.  Might have to give it the
full path, though.)

Note that in the attached isolinux.cfg file (from the Pheobe 3 beta)
there is already a "ks" label defined.  It doesn't specify as kickstart
config file so I'm assuming that it'll automatically look for ks.cfg in
the isolinux (or maybe root) directory.

Mike

-- 
Mike Broome
mbroome(at)employees.org

--zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="isolinux.cfg"

default linux
prompt 1
timeout 600
display boot.msg
F1 boot.msg
F2 options.msg
F3 general.msg
F4 param.msg
F5 rescue.msg
F7 snake.msg
label linux
  kernel vmlinuz
  append initrd=initrd.img
label text
  kernel vmlinuz
  append initrd=initrd.img text
label expert
  kernel vmlinuz
  append expert initrd=initrd.img
label ks
  kernel vmlinuz
  append ks initrd=initrd.img 
label lowres
  kernel vmlinuz
  append initrd=initrd.img lowres

--zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O--

From rhce@trilug.org  Thu Feb 20 21:06:59 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 16:06:59 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <20030220153155.A25246@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
 <1045763214.31964.128.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
 <3E5518B1.2020605@dragonstrider.com>
 <20030220153155.A25246@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <1045775224.31963.145.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 15:31, Mike Broome wrote:


> Note that in the attached isolinux.cfg file (from the Pheobe 3 beta)
> there is already a "ks" label defined.  It doesn't specify as kickstart
> config file so I'm assuming that it'll automatically look for ks.cfg in
> the isolinux (or maybe root) directory.

Since that "ks" label is already provided, I presume you could make the
installation fully automatic by changing that "default" line from
"linux" to "ks".  Though it's an interesting question where the ks.cfg
would be searched for -- I don't think it would be inside the isolinux
stuff, since that's not necessarily visible to anaconda.  Maybe just on
the root of the CD-ROM?  Or would it still default to the floppy?


> default linux
> prompt 1
> timeout 600
> display boot.msg
> F1 boot.msg
> F2 options.msg
> F3 general.msg
> F4 param.msg
> F5 rescue.msg
> F7 snake.msg
> label linux
>   kernel vmlinuz
>   append initrd=initrd.img
> label text
>   kernel vmlinuz
>   append initrd=initrd.img text
> label expert
>   kernel vmlinuz
>   append expert initrd=initrd.img
> label ks
>   kernel vmlinuz
>   append ks initrd=initrd.img 
> label lowres
>   kernel vmlinuz
>   append initrd=initrd.img lowres



From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb 21 05:15:37 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Dave Schwartzburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:15:37 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Boot process changed in RHL beta
In-Reply-To: <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>
References: <1045761928.31963.104.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> <200302201240.38745.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <3E55B5F9.1070607@uwalumni.com>

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CompUSA in Raleigh sells buisiness card (rectangular) size CDs from imation.

Jason Tower wrote:

>i see boot.iso is only 3.6mb.  does anyone have blank business-card size CDs?  
>i know stayonline sells them but they're far far away from me here in garner.
>
>jason
>
>On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:25, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
>  
>
>>Hey folks,
>>
>>Last night we talked quite a bit about the boot process with the two
>>boot disks (boot.img and bootnet.img), and the driver disks.   You might
>>be interested to know that this process has changed somewhat with the
>>new beta of Red Hat Linux ("Phoebe 3" or 8.0.94).  So if you take the
>>RHCE after the next version is released, be sure to go over this item
>>again!
>>
>>If you're interested in seeing the new setup, take a look at:
>>ftp://ftp.trilug.org/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en/os/i386/images/
>>
>>As you can see from the README, there is just one boot floppy, and you
>>need a driver disk for network installs.  The other cool thing is the
>>"boot.iso".  I haven't played with this yet, but I think it's an
>>"ISOLinux" boot CD image that will allow all methods of installation.
>>So this way you can do a network install by using this special boot.iso
>>-- needed if there's no floppy drive.  ("Syslinux", which relies on the
>>1.44 MB El Torido floppy image, is no longer used in the 8.0.94 beta.)
>>
>>--Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>>   http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
>>Archives for the RHCE list:
>>   http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>RHCE@trilug.org Mailing list
>   http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/rhce
>Archives for the RHCE list:
>   http://www.trilug.org/pipermail/rhce
>
>  
>


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From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb 21 15:38:09 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Joseph Tate)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:38:09 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] RH 8.0 Text install
Message-ID: <3E5647E1.9030501@dragonstrider.com>

It didn't seem that the text install supported LVM as well as the 
graphical install: I could create LVM physical volumes, but I couldn't 
create logical volumes.  It could be that I overlooked something, but 
there was no LVM button on the main screen of disk druid: New, Edit, 
Delete, Reset, Raid and Ok were my choices.  So, correct me if I'm 
wrong, but if you want to do LVM inside anaconda, you've got to use the 
graphical installer.

At the meeting on Wed.  Someone said that using IP tables, you could let 
NFS traffic through, whereas with IPchains you cannot.  Could that 
someone post some sample rules for doing this?

Joseph


From rhce@trilug.org  Tue Feb 25 00:34:24 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:34:24 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] notes for 2/19
In-Reply-To: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>
References: <200302190134.00904.jason@cerient.net>
Message-ID: <200302241934.24520.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wednesday 19 February 2003 01:341am, Jason Tower wrote:
> cerient.net/rhce

Hi,

I've linked the notes to the syllabus page:

http://www.trilug.org/~sinner/rhce.html

If someone sets up a page with notes from the class, I'll link them too.


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Testing Mandrake 9.0 -    Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 26 20:09:28 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 15:09:28 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Friendly Reminder: IRC meeting tonight
Message-ID: <200302261509.28895.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

All,

Just as a reminder, today we have the IRC part of Jason's Installation Class.

See you there!


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/     Linux User # 89976
Running on Mandrake Linux 9.0 - Kernel  2.4.19smp  Linux Machine # 38068


From rhce@trilug.org  Wed Feb 26 21:05:00 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Mike Broome)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:05:00 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] Friendly Reminder: IRC meeting tonight
In-Reply-To: <200302261509.28895.sinner@escomposlinux.org>; from sinner@escomposlinux.org on Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:09:28PM -0500
References: <200302261509.28895.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20030226160500.B28364@eeyore.1000plus.com>

For those that need their memories jogged ...

Meeting starts at 8pm and can be found on channel #trilug-rhce on
irc.trilug.org (a.k.a irc.freenode.net).

M.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:09:28PM -0500, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
> All,
> 
> Just as a reminder, today we have the IRC part of Jason's Installation Class.
> 
> See you there!
> 
> 
> Salut,
> Sinner

-- 
Mike Broome
mbroome(at)employees.org

From rhce@trilug.org  Fri Feb 28 22:05:38 2003
From: rhce@trilug.org (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 28 Feb 2003 17:05:38 -0500
Subject: [RHCE] [OT] Red Hat Linux [non]-support for broadcom driver
Message-ID: <1046469943.7175.158.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

Not there yet, but here's information about it:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=80545




