[TriLUG] even more interesting

[Jon Carnes]

Here, here Joseph!  I agree with you whole-heartedly.  But let me also add,
don't go away, just go away mad.  I love that you have a different point of
view.  That's really cool by me.  We need diversity to survive.

Yes Windows helped full the PC explosion, but don't be fooled into thinking
that ONLY Windows could have done that...

I myself, have a few scenarios that play out different than yours.
If Windows had not filled the void back in the early 80's there are a lot of
things that would have filled it.  For one, there was a really interesting
corporation whose approach was application based and not OS based. They had
a suite of applications that all had a nice GUI feel about them and all
could be launched via one parent app. The apps also had access to common
data and could easily toss data between the various apps.
Maybe you don't remember that because you're a little too young.  Businesses
ate this stuff up and began ordering PC in hordes.  The company was Lotus
and the product was Symphony. It even had modem control built into it so it
could automatically attach to a centralized database (and this was before
networks).

There was also another contender.  One that I would put my money on to have
won-out, had MS not stolen on to the scene: Apple.  You might not remember
the Apple explosion, but Macs truly lead the way with innovation.  Macs
broke through a lot of barriers that no other machine/OS could have. Today,
I still have a few Macs on my network, and the folks that use them would
rather die than switch to any other machine... Folks show more loyalties to
their Macs than they do to their Spouses!

And who (among us old farts) could forget the war between WordPerfect and
WordStar!  These two apps started out as mere word processors, and almost
became whole OS's in their struggles to out-widget each other.

Ten years from now, we won't be using Windows, and we won't be using Linux,
but we will be using something that evolved from both (at least partially).
So it's a little silly to argue over whether we should give Bill his due, as
far as I'm concerned he's already gotten his due, and what is to come, is
yet to come.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sinner from the Prairy" <sinner_prairy at hotmail.com>
To: <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] even more interesting


> >From: "Matt Jezorek" <matt at bluelinux.org>
>
> >Since no one understood what I was trying to say I will shut up and leave
> >the list. I have noticed that thru out most
> >of the conversations, no one should have an opinion different then a few
of
> >the other members here. And if they do
> >they are quickly discounted. This is  absurd. One question before I leave
> >the list. Where are these OS'es and Computers
> >now? You cant say its MS anti-competitive behavior that pushed them out.
> >They were gone long before MS became bully's.
> >If it was not for MS Desktop even though it was stolen, computers would
not
> >be on as many desks as they are now.
>
> This is very funny.
>
> See, imagine you are subscribed to a Military list. Then, you post a
message
> about how bad weapons are. Your post is sensible, accurate and true. But,
> nevertheless, many of the people in the list post messages arguing your
> points, telling things like "I make a living carrying a gun" and "the
world
> is no perfect, so we need gun-toting guys called 'soldiers' ..."
>
> Then, you menace of leaving the list for its lack of openess.
>
> Find yourself here.
>
> It is no coincidence that Linux users are people that grew tired of bad
OSes
> that, instead of solving problems, crated more. People that was used to a
> variety of OS and programs and, eventualy, there was one single option.
> People that discovered that their DR-DOS crashed with Windows 3.x . People
> that tried Unix before Windows. People that when trained in Windows 95
> discovered its many flaws. People that lost many weeks of work because
> problems with one Microsoft produt.... and there was no competitor to
switch
> the product. People that reads the (abusive) licenses (end-user license
> agreement or EULA) and find it a major piece of legalesse to cover the
> corporate ass of a company that does not even tried to make good products
> when there were no competition. People that grew tired of finding that you
> must buy yet another OS when you buy a new computer. People that grew
tired
> of seeing non-profit organizaions that must buy "Corporate-style" licenses
> whenever they get more that a dozen computers because the current monopoly
> doesn't allow to lawfuly pass OS with the donated computer.
>
> I would recomend you some history
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/594462.asp?0si=&cp1=1
>
>
> Thanks God, we have now more options; thanks God, we now have Linux;
thanks
> God, it's Friday!
>
>
> Salut,
> Sinner
>
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