[spam score 2/10 -pobox] [TriLUG] Linux Support Position (OT)
William W. Ward
Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:20:31 -0400
On the topic of devs, I think otherwise:
While I agree developing software requires logical, ordered and creative
thinking - I don't think this is something enhanced by college-level
education. Rather, I find through my experience in both grade school =
college (and vicariously through my social circle,) that this sort of
thinking is settled in grade school, usually much earlier than high =
Lets drill down a little for the sake of entertainment:
Software development envelopes a number of components: Programming, =
Management, Marketing, Technical Writing, Interface Design and =
Design. Each component has its own collection of subcomponents, like
art/graphics, software patent compliance, human perception and more.
Whether you're an individual or a small group or a major company, each =
of these areas is addressed by some one at some point in the life cycle =
your code. Obviously you make decisions on how your program speaks to =
world even if all you code are device drivers, in which case you =
choose only to write to a syslog or perhaps not communicate with the =
While the uneducated kid who spends his hours hacking together a program =
decode DVDs with his buddies may have a less organized or lower-quality
software product than a paid developer working for a group with clear =
and experience, the factors affecting the code are the management of the
And my point? If you have 10 PFYs fresh out of grade school (since =
be able to spend the full balance of their waking hours on coding, =
than schooling,) working in a small company headed by a team of software
project managers, the fact that the PFY's have no formal education is =
of a concern than if they are connected with experienced and effective
leaders. On the other hand, the most experienced and learned programmer =
at the mercy of the leadership of his project. If he is tasked with =
a module that makes up a larger program and his leadership is unable to
coordinate the monkeys in the other cages to write to a common
specification, the quality of his code will make little difference to =
end-user coping with a stack smash exploit from one of the other bits of
code in the program.
And that is why I believe that if college education was maintained as an
elitist organization with high entry barriers and a high standard of =
(and no remedial nonsense for those who didn't pick up algebra in high
school, as I did not,) than the quality of the diploma would be
And then, perhaps there would be fewer pointy-haired bosses in positions =
software development that really do not know the difference between =
software development and soap.
I hope that makes coherent sense. You know, I'm very focused on my DLT
library. I just received the bar code labels for my 15 cartridges and =
eagerly awaiting the inventory completion. Its a slow Friday.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tanner Lovelace" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [spam score 2/10 -pobox] [TriLUG] Linux Support Position =
> On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 14:09, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> > Every society has its caste system. This is ours.
> I disagree. While for some positions a college degree may not
> make that much of a difference for some it does, quite a bit.
> For developers, I believe it makes an enormous difference.
> Developing software takes extremely logical, ordered and creative
> thinking. While some exceptional people can do this without
> benefit of a college degree, the vast majority simply cannot
> (witness the vast amount of software on Source Forge that is
> simply crap). To say otherwise shows a lack of understanding
> of the discipline of programming.
> System administration, on the other hand, can easily be learned
> in apprenticeship fashion. While I believe a good system =
> will benefit from a college degree, I believe they will benefit
> more from experience (even experience administering a linux
> box at home). Note that this does not mean I believe Sys
> Admins are any less competent than programmers, just that
> they are in different fields.
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