[TriLUG] New member re-location question

[Jon Carnes]

I have to say that I am very "uncomfortable" with this kind of message
being sent to a LUG of which I am a member.

I really don't want to extend this conversation, but I cannot in good
conscience allow your thoughts to sit out here unanswered and unopposed.
I firmly believe in the American dream and in our economy. I also have
no problems with other countries waking up to our way of doing business,
and accepting our work ethic.

I remember someone saying once: All men are created equal. To me that is
America.

The world is changing, and the place of IT in that world is also
changing.  Don Rosenberg gave quite an elegant talk on this issue a few
months ago.  You should look it up in our archives.

Don's "guesses about what tomorrow will bring" are right on.  And so is
his analysis of why.  It's not foreign competition - it's evolution. 
Our old Technocratic existence is fading and specialists either have to
move on or become even more specialized. 

Our technology gets easier to manage and control every day.  Our jobs
become more and more automated.  Systems have become more adaptive and
encompassing - especially the standard systems used by businesses. It no
longer takes an expert to setup a VPN; you can do it by simply buying
two Linksys routers (total cost > $300).

You can morn the loss of those times, or change with the times. 
Accepting change and adapting to it is the mark of a man with character.

Cursing the change, and casting about, looking to place blame on the
weak is the mark of despair and fear. I will not allow such ignorance to
go unopposed at my LUG.

Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 00:46, Patrick Williams wrote:
> I fully agree that the "mess" began on Bubba's watch, but now what is being
> done to stem the tide?  For every programming job available here there are
> probably 10 Indians and 100 Chinese waiting to take it.  And, according to
> "The Bell Curve" (Herrnstein and Murray) they are smarter than us.
> 
> But if they are so smart why do they have such poverty in their respective
> countries with no hi-tech jobs there?  Where are the inventors and promoters
> that would make them the richest country in the world?  Why do they come to
> the US for education?
> 
> I am a child of the 50's and have watched the slow erosion of the moral
> fiber of this country and with it the oncoming greed syndrome and purchased
> law-makers.
> 
> There was a time when you had to be a citizen in order to own property in
> the US, but the big real-estate and property owners got the politicians to
> change the law.  Since then more and more laws have changed or been
> temporarily abridged to lower the cost of labor of all skill levels.  The
> unions have been beaten asunder, the farmers have had to sell out to the big
> concerns and now it's our turn.
> 
> This country is not big enough to take on all the world's troubles and work
> forces.  Yet we continue to allow the laws to change or not be enforced at
> all so that the rich and powerful will have cheap labor and nannies for $2
> per hour.
> 
> Maybe I have lived too long and can see where the curve is progressing... or
> maybe everyone is happy with their new jobs and could care less about going
> back to programming careers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Magnus Hedemark" <chrish at trilug.org>
> To: <trilug at trilug.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] New member re-location question
> 
> 
> >
> > On Thursday, June 12, 2003, at 10:32 PM, Patrick Williams wrote:
> >
> > > If anyone is interested in doing something about this "who stole my
> > > career"
> > > scenario then they will have to gather enough votes to overcome the
> > > lobby
> > > money interests of big business.  Are you ready to take action or do
> > > you
> > > like selling shoes and french fries waiting for the recovery that will
> > > never
> > > come for us.
> >
> > You give way too much credit to the politicians for the mess we're in.
> > And remember, evidence of the oncoming of hard times started becoming
> > very apparent weeks *before* the current president took office.  The
> > last one was pretty well entrenched when it became popular to move high
> > tech jobs to India.  Both of the big parties will screw you, make no
> > mistake.  Most of these guys have no special inside knowledge about how
> > to make things better for you & me.  The ones that really can make a
> > difference usually have a distaste for politics.
> >
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