[TriLUG] Re: Managed languages (was .NET development on Linux)
David A. Cafaro
dac at trilug.org
Thu Jun 17 13:06:26 EDT 2004
Just curious but when was this Windows Java Client written? Any chance
it was back when MS was really working hard to make a Windows only
Version of Java (as the default in Visual Java). This might very well
explain your problems. Most of the Java programs I've worked with were
not developed using MS tools.
As for web apps, the few that I've used on a regularish basis (AIM quick
messenger, Check View for my Bank, speed tester at dslreports) all have
worked equally when used on Windows or Linux. They are not quick by any
stretch of the term, but you are talking about web distributed apps that
are running from a virtual machine that is running from a web browser.
Java can run very quick when used on the server side, but web based
client side is still slow in my experience, and usually most of this
slowness is in the loading of the app, not as much in the running of the
Again, this is just my experience.
On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 10:41, Michael Thompson wrote:
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> I know nothing of Java programming, but I do know that I *must* keep a
> Windows machine here at work to use the Java based systems we run here
> at our office. Neither my Mac or Linux installs work 100% with this
> system, which (btw) is entirely Linux based aside from the Windows
> client requirement. Any web sites that I visit that implement any Java
> features may or may not work properly on my Linux box. Regardless,
> whether its Mac, Linux or Windows, Java apps also seem to be the
> slowest thing going on any hardware I've used. As I said before,
> IANAJP, but as a user, Java seems to suck pretty bad.
> Just my $.02
> - --mike
> On Jun 17, 2004, at 10:12 AM, David A. Cafaro wrote:
> > Ok, quick question, but why do you say Java isn't well supported under
> > Linux? I'm just a little confused on that. I've been using Java to
> > write and run programs under Linux with no problems, and with what
> > seems
> > like very good support. Between JVM/JDKs from Sun/IBM/BlackDown/Apache
> > Geronimo, development tools from Eclipse, SlickEdit, Apache.org and
> > assorted sqlDB drivers, WebServer Apps, and other items, Java seems to
> > be very well supported. Could you clarify that some, I'm worried I'm
> > missing something. Thanks.
> > -David
> > On Thu, 2004-06-17 at 09:46, Joseph Tate wrote:
> >> Have fun with your pointers! I'll be shifting any new development
> >> work
> >> to a language in which I don't have to worry about memory management.
> >> C#, though I despised it at first, may fit the bill. VB .Net doesn't
> >> seem like a real language to me. Java, though I prefer it, is not
> >> well
> >> supported under Linux (unfortunately, but gjc 3.4 should change that).
> >> Perl and PHP are great, but can't be compiled (without expensive third
> >> party tools). Python is collapsing in on itself (according to some
> >> whom
> >> I respect). I do know that I'm tired of tracking down memory leaks.
> >> If there's a language that I should be learning, let me know. I'm
> >> taking a look at XUL right now to see if that is useful. Am I giving
> >> Python an unfair judgement? Is there a memory management plugin for
> >> C/C++ (though that would defeat the purpose)?
> >> Joseph
> >> C/C++, Java, Perl, PHP, VB, InstallScript, Bash, Batch, and PL/SQL
> >> developer
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