[TriLUG] hacking vs. using

[Neil L. Little]

Instead of having to buy a book you can find all of this at:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html

That would be /part 97/ for Amateur Radio:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr97_03.html

For other devices such as 802.11 wireless that would be /part 15/:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr15_03.html

73,
Neil Little, WA4AZL    JARS Forever!
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Alfred Johnson wrote:

>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:11:20 -0400
>From: ALFRED JOHNSON <alfjon at mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: [TriLUG] hacking vs. using
>To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list <trilug at trilug.org>
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>There is a part of the FCC regulations which specifically cover what 
>hams are allowed to do and likewise what they cannot do while using the 
>frequencies which they are legally licensed to use. To make the answer 
>to your question very simply, unless it is inadvertent we are 
>prohibited from intentionally interfering with any other licensed 
>operators. This is not to say that from time to time ham radio 
>operators don't inadvertently interfere with one another. But the 
>simple answer to your question is that I suspect that if a ham did what 
>you suggested and PURPOSELY  interfered with any legal 802.11 users 
>that he would risk getting reported by the "ham police" whom we call 
>"OO's" (official observers who report violations which they hear on the 
>ham frequencies). If you're interested in reading about these rules and 
>regulations governing amateur radio all you need to do is to purchase a 
>small book which has all the part 97 rules and regulations from the 
>American Radio Relay League (they also have a website where you can 
>read about these regulations). Keep in mind that these regulations are 
>not cast in stone. From time to time the FCC will make modifications 
>and clarifications in any of these rules as it sees fit. So if it isn't 
>illegal now to do what you suggest, it could very well be changed. 
>--73, KQ4FP--  Al Johnson
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>On Oct 15, 2004, at 8:23 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
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>>> Today I started to think about hacking 802.11 signals (this all came 
>>> up during a discussion of a 802.11 design in a joking manner).  
>>> Anyway, I was told "do not hack this network" buy the project manager 
>>> to which I responded "it's a public use frequency, I can do what I 
>>> want".  Obviously I was joking, because I am aware of laws against 
>>> hacking 802.11 specifically, but then I got to thinking about the 
>>> nature of public frequencies.  Does anyone, especially any of the HAM 
>>> crew, know about laws that state what you can, and cannot, do on these 
>>> frequencies?
>>>
>>> I believe that HAM users have priority over 802.11 users in the 2.4 
>>> Ghz range.  Therefore, I think, that a HAM radio operator could use 
>>> the signal in manner which could effectively cause a denial of service 
>>> attack for the 802.11 users (which there are laws against).  Can 
>>> anyone site a webpage with the laws about what, and cannot, be done on 
>>> these frequencies?
>>>
>>> At the very least it seems like the laws conflict each other.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
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