[TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

Jason jason at monsterjam.org
Wed Aug 2 11:47:54 EDT 2006 

I just installed gentoo on a 500Mhz ultrasparc II box.. that count? ;)

Jason

On Wed, Aug 
02, 2006 at 11:09:38AM -0400, Greg Brown wrote:
> What ever happened to my Digital Unix box running on 64 bit Alpha chips?
> And that was 1995 or 1996.  One would think we would be further down the 64
> bit path by this point.
> 
> On 8/2/06, OlsonE at aosa.army.mil <OlsonE at aosa.army.mil> wrote:
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >Same issues here with x64 as well. What a shame. I'll be content once
> >x64 Linux is a little more mainstream (and less buggy).
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
> >Behalf Of Jim Ray
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:38 PM
> >To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> >Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
> >
> >yes, really.  not that anyone cares to discuss winders in this group;
> >however, symantec antivirus corporate edition as well as winder's own
> >WSUS puke hard with 64 bit Windows 2003 Server.
> >
> >from a server point of view, that's a show stopper and very specific.
> >WinXP64 is not a server OS.  i'll defer judgement on 64 bit desktops to
> >others since the majority of my customers have 32 bit hardware and don't
> >care.
> >
> >all the best for a happy and safe move to NY just the same, though.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >Jim Ray, President
> >Neuse River Networks
> >2610 Vanderbilt Ave.
> >Raleigh, NC 27607-7247
> >
> >tel: 919-838-1672
> >cell: 919-606-1772
> >http://www.Neuse.Net
> >
> >Connecting You to the World since 1997
> >
> >Matthew Lavigne wrote:
> >> Really?  I have only seen that basically anything that runs as a
> >> service looks for 64 bit and then dies (namely Antivirus).  In my old
> >> shop (yes, it is not mine anymore) we installed and ran everything as
> >> 32 bit with the exception of antivirus.  In the course of 24 months we
> >
> >> have never had a conflict where an application acted badly other then
> >> trying to install again a 32 bit antivirus on WinXP64.
> >>
> >> A little more qualification would be nice rather then generalizations,
> >
> >> especially if you have some known bad applications.
> >>
> >> Personally I have found very little that would force me to 64 bit
> >> Windows though the workstation that I have (along with the 6GB of
> >> system memory) would drive me to.  It is not difficult to use the /PAE
> >
> >> switch or several others to push the memory limits around (especially
> >> if you have Xeon CPUs).
> >>
> >> This box isn't linux yet cause there is too much that I need to
> >> convert to a vmware image before I move it over...
> >>
> >> Matthew Lavigne
> >> Preparing to move to NY....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net>:
> >>
> >>> Winders has 64 bit versions.  I don't use them because too many apps
> >>> are broken.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Ray, President
> >>> Neuse River Networks
> >>>
> >>> tel: 919-838-1672
> >>> http://www.Neuse.Net
> >>>
> >>> Connecting You to the World since 1997
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
> >>>> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Brown
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 AM
> >>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
> >>>>
> >>>> You bring up an interesting point.  My neighbor just purchased a new
> >
> >>>> laptop
> >>>> that has a 64 bit processor.   Can XPee Home even take
> >>>> advantage of a 64 bit
> >>>> processor?
> >>>>
> >>>> She's already fed up with the anti-virus she is using and has
> >>>> already asked about Linux (after hearing me yap about it for years
> >>>> now).  Hopefully she'll pull the trigger and I can intall Ubuntu as
> >>>> a social expirement.  I'd really like to see how well a seriously
> >>>> non-techincal person manages with Ubuntu.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/28/06, Kevin Flanagan <kevin at flanagannc.net> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > That would have to fall in the "that depends" category.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What would you be doing with the system, for a laptop, I
> >>>> see that HP
> >>>> > now has a Turion 64Bit laptop, interesting if you could
> >>>> take advantage
> >>>> > of the processor.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If you are using much CPU to Memory transfer intensive
> >>>> applications,
> >>>> > then AMD has the edge, otherwise I don't think that it
> >>>> matters as much.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What about the other stuff, that says more in many cases.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What disks are available, SATA, or PATA, or SCSI?
> >>>> > What Video subsystem suits your needs best?
> >>>> > How much RAM can you get for the system in question?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > As usual, there's a lot more to the "best" answer,
> >>>> generally I think
> >>>> > that if you get a top tier system now it's likely enough for 95%
> >>>> > or more of folks, unless you're just that kind of geek who
> >>>> needs to spec
> >>>> > out every last detail.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Then there's cost.....
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Kevin
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Greg Brown wrote:
> >>>> > > It was not long ago at all, just last year, that the prevailing
> >>>> > > opinion of those on Trilug seemed to be that AMD was
> >>>> leading the way
> >>>> > > for chip
> >>>> > design
> >>>> > > for the foreseeable future.  With Intel's latest announcements,
> >>>> > > along with the Core Duo, I was wondering what the
> >>>> consensus opinion
> >>>> > > was these days.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > If you were going to build a linux desktop or laptop what
> >>>> processor
> >>>> > would
> >>>> > > you pick?  Intel, AMD, or something else?
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > 3.... 2..... 1..... FIGHT!!
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