[TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel

Jim Ray jim at neuse.net
Wed Aug 2 21:56:29 EDT 2006


gentoo is all fine and dandy for you smart people.  gimme my unbuntu, 
though.  insert dvd.  come back in an hour. done.

Jason wrote:
> mmmm  optimizations! damn I love gentoo. ;)
> ill give it a shot.. thanks.
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 09:41:25PM -0400, 
> OlsonE at aosa.army.mil wrote:
>> I see you're brave using ~sparc! You also might want to check out glibc-omitfp (which lets glibc decide if its going to use --fomit-frame-pointer or not).
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org on behalf of Jason
>> Sent: Wed 8/2/2006 5:16 PM
>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>>  
>> USE="X gtk2 gnome -esd -arts -alsa jpeg png apache2 php5 mysql qt ssl mjpeg mmx server opengl 
>> nptl nptlonly a52 avi dvd dvdread divx4linux dv encode frame mpeg ogg mp3 quicktime vorbis xvid 
>> screen sqlite imap"
>>
>> jason at spike ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.keywords 
>> =app-text/crm114-20060118       ~*
>> =dev-libs/tre-0.7.3             ~*
>> net-im/naim                     ~sparc
>> net-misc/vpnc                   ~sparc
>> =net-misc/nx-x11-1.5.0-r8       ~*
>> net-misc/nxserver-freenx        ~*
>> net-misc/nxcomp                 ~*
>> sys-fs/udev                     ~sparc
>> app-text/catdoc                 ~*
>> net-p2p/ctorrent                ~sparc
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 11:50:24AM -0400, OlsonE at aosa.army.mil wrote:
>>> What are you using for:
>>>
>>> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=""?
>>>
>>> How is it working? Are you using a GUI (which one)?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jason
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:48 AM
>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>>>
>>> I just installed gentoo on a 500Mhz ultrasparc II box.. that count? ;)
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug
>>> 02, 2006 at 11:09:38AM -0400, Greg Brown wrote:
>>>> What ever happened to my Digital Unix box running on 64 bit Alpha
>>> chips?
>>>> And that was 1995 or 1996.  One would think we would be further down 
>>>> the 64 bit path by this point.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/2/06, OlsonE at aosa.army.mil <OlsonE at aosa.army.mil> wrote:
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Same issues here with x64 as well. What a shame. I'll be content once
>>>>> x64 Linux is a little more mainstream (and less buggy).
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jim Ray
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:38 PM
>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, really.  not that anyone cares to discuss winders in this group;
>>>>> however, symantec antivirus corporate edition as well as winder's own
>>>>> WSUS puke hard with 64 bit Windows 2003 Server.
>>>>>
>>>> >from a server point of view, that's a show stopper and very specific.
>>>>> WinXP64 is not a server OS.  i'll defer judgement on 64 bit desktops 
>>>>> to others since the majority of my customers have 32 bit hardware and
>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>> all the best for a happy and safe move to NY just the same, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>> Neuse River Networks
>>>>> 2610 Vanderbilt Ave.
>>>>> Raleigh, NC 27607-7247
>>>>>
>>>>> tel: 919-838-1672
>>>>> cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>> http://www.Neuse.Net
>>>>>
>>>>> Connecting You to the World since 1997
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew Lavigne wrote:
>>>>>> Really?  I have only seen that basically anything that runs as a 
>>>>>> service looks for 64 bit and then dies (namely Antivirus).  In my 
>>>>>> old shop (yes, it is not mine anymore) we installed and ran 
>>>>>> everything as
>>>>>> 32 bit with the exception of antivirus.  In the course of 24 months
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have never had a conflict where an application acted badly other 
>>>>>> then trying to install again a 32 bit antivirus on WinXP64.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little more qualification would be nice rather then 
>>>>>> generalizations,
>>>>>> especially if you have some known bad applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I have found very little that would force me to 64 bit 
>>>>>> Windows though the workstation that I have (along with the 6GB of 
>>>>>> system memory) would drive me to.  It is not difficult to use the 
>>>>>> /PAE
>>>>>> switch or several others to push the memory limits around 
>>>>>> (especially if you have Xeon CPUs).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This box isn't linux yet cause there is too much that I need to 
>>>>>> convert to a vmware image before I move it over...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew Lavigne
>>>>>> Preparing to move to NY....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Winders has 64 bit versions.  I don't use them because too many 
>>>>>>> apps are broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>>>> Neuse River Networks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tel: 919-838-1672
>>>>>>> http://www.Neuse.Net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Connecting You to the World since 1997
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Brown
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 11:10 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] AMD vs. Intel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You bring up an interesting point.  My neighbor just purchased a 
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>>>> that has a 64 bit processor.   Can XPee Home even take
>>>>>>>> advantage of a 64 bit
>>>>>>>> processor?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She's already fed up with the anti-virus she is using and has 
>>>>>>>> already asked about Linux (after hearing me yap about it for 
>>>>>>>> years now).  Hopefully she'll pull the trigger and I can intall 
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu as a social expirement.  I'd really like to see how well a
>>>>>>>> seriously non-techincal person manages with Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/06, Kevin Flanagan <kevin at flanagannc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That would have to fall in the "that depends" category.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What would you be doing with the system, for a laptop, I
>>>>>>>> see that HP
>>>>>>>>> now has a Turion 64Bit laptop, interesting if you could
>>>>>>>> take advantage
>>>>>>>>> of the processor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are using much CPU to Memory transfer intensive
>>>>>>>> applications,
>>>>>>>>> then AMD has the edge, otherwise I don't think that it
>>>>>>>> matters as much.
>>>>>>>>> What about the other stuff, that says more in many cases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What disks are available, SATA, or PATA, or SCSI?
>>>>>>>>> What Video subsystem suits your needs best?
>>>>>>>>> How much RAM can you get for the system in question?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As usual, there's a lot more to the "best" answer,
>>>>>>>> generally I think
>>>>>>>>> that if you get a top tier system now it's likely enough for 
>>>>>>>>> 95% or more of folks, unless you're just that kind of geek who
>>>>>>>> needs to spec
>>>>>>>>> out every last detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then there's cost.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greg Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It was not long ago at all, just last year, that the 
>>>>>>>>>> prevailing opinion of those on Trilug seemed to be that AMD 
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> leading the way
>>>>>>>>>> for chip
>>>>>>>>> design
>>>>>>>>>> for the foreseeable future.  With Intel's latest 
>>>>>>>>>> announcements, along with the Core Duo, I was wondering what 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> consensus opinion
>>>>>>>>>> was these days.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you were going to build a linux desktop or laptop what
>>>>>>>> processor
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> you pick?  Intel, AMD, or something else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3.... 2..... 1..... FIGHT!!
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