[TriLUG] Techno-Politics Talk on Trilug List (Was: FBI wants, blah, blah)

[William Sutton]

Not to be a cynic about the subject, but I think the government's track 
record suggests that the storage of the logs would be at the ISP's expense 
and burden.

That said, I tend to agree with other posters to the list that there are 
probably better forums for discussing this.  Yes, privacy rights in 
general (and internet privacy in particular) are important subjects to 
keep a watchful eye on.  However, this list (in my observation) seems to 
try to keep the non-Linux topics to a minimum, especially those that might 
engender much heated discussion[1].  Further this isn't a political list, 
so political discussions should (IMVHO) stay off the list[2].

-- 
William Sutton
M: 919.604.2502

[1] but I'm happy to start a 'vi is better than emacs' flamewar on irc 
*grin*
[2] a lot of things seem to be fair game on #trilug that aren't 
necessarily appropo on list. failing that, issues that might be of broader 
interest may be better served on a wider forum such as slashdot


On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Mike A. Salim wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If I may chime in here ... granted there is a political aspect to this
> debate, however there is a *strong* technical aspect as well, which is
> well suited for this group, IMHO, at least to talk about.
> 
> The technical aspect is:  assuming that we ISPs are suddenly required to
> never delete any logs, exactly how are we supposed to accumulate, store
> and archive terabytes and terabytes of logs that a typical ISP might
> generate in a month across tens or hundreds of servers, economically and
> securely? HIPAA and privacy requirements in addition to this new
> requirement would make life a challenge and require some innovative
> technical solutions!
> 
> And this is apart from the political issue of who will pay for that
> storage and technology which we do not need to address here.
> 
> Sincerely
> Mike Salim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
> Behalf Of Phillip Rhodes
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:42 AM
> To: Triangle Linux Users Group discussion list
> Subject: [TriLUG] Techno-Politics Talk on Trilug List (Was: FBI wants,
> blah,blah)
> 
> Matthew Lavigne wrote:
> > OK, only going to reply to one of these but can we keep the political 
> > BS and talking heads off the linux list?
> I will risk making myself (even more) unpopular by saying that I don't 
> mind these kinds of messages.  But that's just me.
> 
> However, it is clear that, historically speaking, the LUG list has not 
> been a place for political discussions, even when
> those discussions would likely be of interest to a large subset of the 
> LUG list members.  OTOH, the Internetworkers
> list seems to have a lot of overlap with the LUG list and political talk
> 
> is not uncommon there.  So I'll suggest that
> if one wants to start a conversation on this topic, INW might be a 
> better list.
> 
> Unless somebody thinks we need a whole new mailing list for this region,
> 
> to discuss "techno-politics" or whatever
> you want to call it.  If anybody thinks such a thing would be useful, 
> I'll volunteer to host it.
> 
> > I understand that this has privacy concerns but what do either of the 
> > threads posted have to do with linux? 
> 
> Well, many ISPs use Linux, and some (many?) LUG members work for such 
> ISPs?  There's always
> been a strong bond between the "unix / linux world" and the "internet 
> world." 
> 
> 
> TTYL,
> 
> Phil
> 
>