[TriLUG] TriLUGnet (was New to the area now, and DSL issues)

Cristóbal Palmer cmp at cmpalmer.org
Thu Sep 25 22:14:32 EDT 2008


On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Mark Turner <jmarkturner at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see a free, region-wide community network spring up, with an
> interconnect at MCNC. Why should my packets go through Washington, DC on
> their way to my next-door neighbor's house?

Because AT&T have been crappy about peering agreements since 2007 [0].

> I think the City of Raleigh would be open to such a network being set up
> around town, as long as there was a viable organization to maintain it.

Whose dark fiber would we be leasing? What area would we be covering?
Would we be doing simple ADSL with no frills for like-minded techheads
like ourselves or trying to be an honest-to-goodness coop ISP? I
desperately want something like this to actually happen, because this
is the traceroute from by apartment (ADSL courtesy AT&T) to my office
(UNC campus, about 0.8 miles away):

                                                       My traceroute  [v0.72]
hume (0.0.0.0)
                                     Thu Sep 25 22:04:31 2008
Resolver: Received error response 2. (server failure)er of fields   quit

                     Packets               Pings
 Host
                   Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 1. 192.168.1.1
                    0.0%    13    2.4   2.2   1.4   4.3   0.9
 2. ???
 3. 68.216.218.69
                    0.0%    13   10.4  11.9  10.4  17.6   1.9
 4. 68.216.218.85
                    0.0%    13   10.7  19.8  10.7  50.4  12.9
 5. 205.152.181.13
                    0.0%    13   52.2  31.6  23.2  71.4  14.2
 6. ixc01int-pos-6-0-0.bellsouth.net
                    0.0%    13   25.2  46.3  23.7 222.0  53.8
 7. 205.152.26.66
                    0.0%    13   92.9  31.5  23.9  92.9  18.7
 8. axr01clt-so-2-0-0.bellsouth.net
                    0.0%    13   23.6  26.2  23.6  33.4   3.1
 9. 205.152.174.18
                    0.0%    13   24.5  24.6  23.3  25.8   0.8
10. ixc01gsp-pos-6-0-0.bellsouth.net
                    0.0%    13   23.2  24.7  23.1  33.7   2.8
11. ixc00gsp-ge-0-0-0.bellsouth.net
                    0.0%    13   78.6  34.8  23.3  78.6  18.1
12. axr00asm-so-2-3-0.bellsouth.net
                    0.0%    13   44.3  27.7  23.7  44.3   5.4
13. 65.83.238.76
                    0.0%    13   25.9  24.9  23.5  30.8   1.9
14. 65.83.238.174
                    0.0%    13   85.2  36.9  23.9  85.2  20.7
15. tbr1.attga.ip.att.net
                    0.0%    13   72.2  33.8  24.9  72.2  13.7
16. ggr3.attga.ip.att.net
                    0.0%    13   37.2  28.4  23.8  44.1   6.5
17. 192.205.34.62
                    0.0%    13   24.8  26.6  23.9  33.0   2.8
18. ae-63-51.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   39.1  31.9  24.6  40.8   6.1
19. ae-2.ebr1.Washington1.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   42.1  46.1  41.5  73.2   8.6
20. ae-81-81.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   82.4  52.9  42.3  82.4  10.3
21. ae-82-82.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   41.2  50.5  41.2  73.4   9.1
22. ae-6-6.car2.Raleigh1.Level3.net
                    7.7%    13   51.7  49.5  46.8  60.1   3.6
23. ae-11-11.car1.Raleigh1.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   48.1  49.4  46.3  58.5   3.3
24. MCNC.car1.Raleigh1.Level3.net
                    0.0%    13   48.0  49.5  47.2  55.5   2.6
25. rtp7600-gw-to-rtp1-gw-sec.ncren.net
                    0.0%    13   47.6  55.4  47.6 120.1  20.0
26. unc7600-gw-to-rtp7600-gw.ncren.net
                   25.0%    13   48.4  55.5  48.4  89.7  13.2
27. 128.109.36.253
                    0.0%    12   97.1  69.1  50.3 123.0  23.5
28. el-loco-v5.net.unc.edu
                    0.0%    12   63.8  61.1  48.6 123.5  20.4
29. goatrance.metalab.unc.edu
                         0.0%    12   49.0  58.4  49.0  94.6  16.0


Just in cased you missed that, packets go from my apartment to
Atlanta, then Washington DC, then Raleigh, then MCNC (RTP), then back
to UNC and finally my office. Ridiculous.

Cheers,
-- 
Cristóbal M. Palmer
"Small acts of humanity amid the chaos of inhumanity provide hope. But
small acts are insufficient."
    -- Paul Rusesabagina

[0] www.ncren.net/files_static/StateofNCREN2007.pdf


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