[TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company

Ron Kelley rkelleyrtp at gmail.com
Fri Jan 8 09:35:07 EST 2010


...which is exactly was I was asking for in the beginning - just run the cables.  Perhaps I was not clear enough even though I mentioned no walls, no ceilings, just run cables...


-Ron


On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Dave Hostetler wrote:

> If you just wanted the wire "stubbed out" meaning that the ends would be hanging unterminated from the ceiling and out of the box in the wall, I would guess you could take about one third of Jim's time.  Most of the time will be spent in terminating the wires and punching down a patch panel.  If you're willing to do the work yourself, you will not save time, but you may save some money.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
> 
>> Yes. Do not pull too hard :-)
>> 
>> Cat6 1/4" tolerances take a little longer than Cat5 1/2" tolerances.
>> 
>> High ceilings and jump discontinuities require more time.
>> 
>> For example, we did a 100,000 sq ft manufacturing plant that was 50 years old and had sections added over years. You may spend 4 hr on 1 drop in such an environment.
>> 
>> However, the stated production rate holds true for jobs we have done in Class A high rise office buildings with drop in ceilings.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On Behalf Of James Jones
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:25 AM
>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>> 
>> Do you have  a rule of thumb for just pulling wire?
>> 
>> jcj
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>> Includes termination at both ends, cable hangers and patch panel.
>>> Estimate would require adding setup time for small jobs and applies
>>> whether you use vi or emacs.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Jim Ray, President
>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send email
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
>>> Behalf Of James Jones
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:29 AM
>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> Does that estimation include or exclude termination at each end?
>>> 
>>> jcj
>>> 
>>> On 1/7/10, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>>> We do managed services and may pull cables for our clients yet aren't
>>>> really looking for that work. I was trying to help you manage your
>>>> expectations. The production rate of 1.3 hr per wire holds true in
>>>> environments with drop in ceilings that are low enough where a lift
>>> is
>>>> not required. So, 30 drops * 4 wires per drop * 1.3 hr per wire
>>> yields
>>>> 156 hours.
>>>> 
>>>> So, I'm calling BS on your 3 hour estimate and hate to see anyone get
>>>> ripped off or misled.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, the first wiring job in this area I did in 1994 moving a
>>> business
>>>> from Zebulon to Knightdale took 3 hours for 5 PCs. For 120 wires? Try
>>>> 156 hours for size. Pretty basic industrial engineering time study.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>> 
>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter: http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>> 
>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>>> email
>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>> 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:52 PM
>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 3 hrs for 30 drops? No way unless you are running multiple crews.
>>> You
>>>>> are looking closer to 120 hrs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would not touch it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, business must be *really good* these days to turn down business
>>>> without even talking to the client.  Perhaps my estimate was off (I
>>>> don't do this everyday), but a little understanding would have gone
>>> much
>>>> farther.
>>>> 
>>>> At any rate, thanks for letting me know upfront you are not
>>> interested.
>>>> It makes finding the right vendor (for this job and the next) much
>>>> easier.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Ron
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
>>> http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>>> 
>>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>>>> email
>>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 AM
>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>> Subject: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know of a good and reasonably-priced company that
>>> installs
>>>>> CAT-5 here in RTP?  I have a buddy who is moving his business into
>>> a
>>>> new
>>>>> building, and we need to get CAT-5 installed in each office.  The
>>>>> building is just a shell right now, so the installation is pretty
>>>> easy.
>>>>> Preferably, the company should be a certified installer as we have
>>> to
>>>>> pass inspection.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would do this myself, but we are looking at about 30 drops (4
>>> cables
>>>>> per drop) in the building which would take me much longer than
>>>>> necessary.  An experienced set of guys should be able to finish the
>>>> job
>>>>> in about 3hrs max.  Depending on price, we may also get the
>>> installers
>>>>> to punch down all wires in the closet and make the necessary
>>>> wall-plate
>>>>> connections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for any pointers...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Ron
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Thanks,

-Ron
rkelleyrtp at gmail.com




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