[TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
Jim Ray
jim at neuse.net
Fri Jan 8 11:08:21 EST 2010
I'm glad you have a better feel for the time involved. It is critical
that both customer and vendor have proper expectations so no one gets
their panties in a wad.
-----Original Message-----
From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Kelley
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:00 AM
To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
Hey Dave,
Thanks. Actually, I spoke with a few folks off-list and have a much
better understanding of how much effort is required for my job. As you
may expect, my 3-4hr estimation was way off, but I based that number on
how much time it took to get my own house wired 10yrs ago (2 floors,
about 20 drops, just cabling).
This thread has proved very beneficial - in more than one way...
-Ron
On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Dave Hostetler wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I think the main thing here is not to expect to have this done
in three hours. Depending on the layout of the office the ceiling
height, the number of people on the crew, and their knowledge, this
could go from a couple of days to a week. That being said, if they show
up with 10 guys, then yeah, it might get done in a few hours. The
tricky parts are making everything up to code, with that piece in the
mix it slows how quickly the job can be accomplished.
>
> Dave
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>
>> Dude...even 1/3 of 156 hrs is *much* greater than your 3 hour
>> estimate!!!
>>
>> Good luck. I'm just telling you the way it is. You are way off. I did
>> not say we could not be friends; I'm just saying your estimate is not
>> accurate.
>>
>> Here to help,
>>
>> Jim BOFH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:35 AM
>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>
>> ...which is exactly was I was asking for in the beginning - just run
the
>> cables. Perhaps I was not clear enough even though I mentioned no
>> walls, no ceilings, just run cables...
>>
>>
>> -Ron
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Dave Hostetler wrote:
>>
>>> If you just wanted the wire "stubbed out" meaning that the ends
would
>> be hanging unterminated from the ceiling and out of the box in the
wall,
>> I would guess you could take about one third of Jim's time. Most of
the
>> time will be spent in terminating the wires and punching down a patch
>> panel. If you're willing to do the work yourself, you will not save
>> time, but you may save some money.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Do not pull too hard :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cat6 1/4" tolerances take a little longer than Cat5 1/2"
tolerances.
>>>>
>>>> High ceilings and jump discontinuities require more time.
>>>>
>>>> For example, we did a 100,000 sq ft manufacturing plant that was 50
>> years old and had sections added over years. You may spend 4 hr on 1
>> drop in such an environment.
>>>>
>>>> However, the stated production rate holds true for jobs we have
done
>> in Class A high rise office buildings with drop in ceilings.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
On
>> Behalf Of James Jones
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:25 AM
>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>
>>>> Do you have a rule of thumb for just pulling wire?
>>>>
>>>> jcj
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>>>> Includes termination at both ends, cable hangers and patch panel.
>>>>> Estimate would require adding setup time for small jobs and
applies
>>>>> whether you use vi or emacs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
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>>>>>
>>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>> email
>>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org [mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of James Jones
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:29 AM
>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that estimation include or exclude termination at each end?
>>>>>
>>>>> jcj
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/7/10, Jim Ray <jim at neuse.net> wrote:
>>>>>> We do managed services and may pull cables for our clients yet
>> aren't
>>>>>> really looking for that work. I was trying to help you manage
your
>>>>>> expectations. The production rate of 1.3 hr per wire holds true
in
>>>>>> environments with drop in ceilings that are low enough where a
lift
>>>>> is
>>>>>> not required. So, 30 drops * 4 wires per drop * 1.3 hr per wire
>>>>> yields
>>>>>> 156 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I'm calling BS on your 3 hour estimate and hate to see anyone
>> get
>>>>>> ripped off or misled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, the first wiring job in this area I did in 1994 moving a
>>>>> business
>>>>>> from Zebulon to Knightdale took 3 hours for 5 PCs. For 120 wires?
>> Try
>>>>>> 156 hours for size. Pretty basic industrial engineering time
study.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
>> http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117, send
>>>>> email
>>>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
[mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:52 PM
>>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Jim Ray wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 hrs for 30 drops? No way unless you are running multiple
crews.
>>>>> You
>>>>>>> are looking closer to 120 hrs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would not touch it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, business must be *really good* these days to turn down
>> business
>>>>>> without even talking to the client. Perhaps my estimate was off
(I
>>>>>> don't do this everyday), but a little understanding would have
gone
>>>>> much
>>>>>> farther.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At any rate, thanks for letting me know upfront you are not
>>>>> interested.
>>>>>> It makes finding the right vendor (for this job and the next)
much
>>>>>> easier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim Ray, President
>>>>>>> Neuse River Networks tel: 919-838-1672 x111 cell: 919-606-1772
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: http://www.neuserivernetworks.com Linkedin:
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neuse Facebook:
>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/neuseriver Twitter:
>>>>> http://twitter.com/neuse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Customer Service/Support: Call hotline at 919-838-1672 x117,
send
>>>>>> email
>>>>>>> to support at neuserivernetworks.com or visit
>>>>>>> http://www.neuserivernetworks.com/support
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: trilug-bounces at trilug.org
[mailto:trilug-bounces at trilug.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Ron Kelley
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion
>>>>>>> Subject: [TriLUG] RTP Local cable-pulling company
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know of a good and reasonably-priced company that
>>>>> installs
>>>>>>> CAT-5 here in RTP? I have a buddy who is moving his business
into
>>>>> a
>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> building, and we need to get CAT-5 installed in each office.
The
>>>>>>> building is just a shell right now, so the installation is
pretty
>>>>>> easy.
>>>>>>> Preferably, the company should be a certified installer as we
have
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> pass inspection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would do this myself, but we are looking at about 30 drops (4
>>>>> cables
>>>>>>> per drop) in the building which would take me much longer than
>>>>>>> necessary. An experienced set of guys should be able to finish
>> the
>>>>>> job
>>>>>>> in about 3hrs max. Depending on price, we may also get the
>>>>> installers
>>>>>>> to punch down all wires in the closet and make the necessary
>>>>>> wall-plate
>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for any pointers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ron
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>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Ron
>> rkelleyrtp at gmail.com
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Thanks,
-Ron
rkelleyrtp at gmail.com
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