[TriLUG] iptables & FUD

[David Both]

That is the precise point; "old" does not mean obsolete, especially when talking 
about Unix and GNU utilities that were designed with the Unix philosophy in mind.

If you don't know what the "Unix/Linux Philosophy" means, grasshopper, try these 
links.

http://read.pudn.com/downloads63/ebook/222048/Linux%20and%20the%20Unix%20Philosophy.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy



On 04/29/2013 11:42 AM, William Sutton wrote:
> vim +1
>
> that said, I'm sick of people changing (and/or deprecating) perfectly 
> functional software just because they don't think it's "pretty" enough, or is 
> organized the way they would do it.  See, in addition to the below example, 
> the udev-197 changes, which completely hosed my PC for a week.
>
> Yes, I get that sometimes things are obsolete, or the maintainer closed the 
> source, or Oracle bought yet another tool, or (etc., etc., etc.).  But some 
> things I just don't get.
>
> William Sutton
>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013, Aaron Joyner wrote:
>
>> If you aspire to a career in system administration, or simply want to work
>> with embedded systems, it is as important to know how to do things with
>> 'netstat' and 'route' as it is to know which sexy features of 'vim' aren't
>> supported in vanilla 'vi'.  When you deal with commercial unixes (unices?
>> eg. Solaris, HPUX or AIX), you're likely to be dealing with the "classic"
>> tools such as netstat, you certainly won't have the new-hotness of iproute2
>> (iprule is *right* *out*).  On an embedded linux distros (Montavista,
>> anything with a busybox core, probably even the Rasberry Pi?), the first
>> thing to go when space is at a premium are duplicate tools.  I have yet to
>> find a developer that's favored dropped the classic tools over the
>> new-shiny tools, although I suppose some day that's coming. Even when we
>> cross that Rubicon, they're still likely to include a package equivalent to
>> Debian's vim-tiny rather than full-blown vim.  Typically, you can forget
>> emacs (and as a general rule, you should).
>>
>> Aaron S. Joyner
>> (starts vi/emacs flame war on mailing list, goes to lunch)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:51 AM, John Vaughters <jvaughters04 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Also agreed, I get frustrated with some of the newer tools that greatly
>>> increase your typing. To the point that I start to wonder if I am on the
>>> path of Grandpahood, where we curse all new and stick to all old schooling
>>> those whipersnapers at every chance, only to one day to die a good John
>>> Henry death by the true new technologies that you never saw coming.
>>>
>>> The Cycle of Life!
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David Both <dboth at millennium-technology.com>
>>> To: trilug at trilug.org
>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TriLUG] iptables & FUD
>>>
>>>
>>> I find that many of the very oldest solutions are still the most elegant.
>>> They
>>> always have the advantage of simplicity, being written to work well with
>>> limited
>>> resources of all types, conforming (for the most part) to the Unix/Linux
>>> philosophy, and having been thoroughly debugged over many years.
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