From lorenzin at 1000plus.com  Tue Nov 25 09:37:19 2014
From: lorenzin at 1000plus.com (Lisa Lorenzin)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:37:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TriLUG] mailman hosting with private searchable archives?
In-Reply-To: <CAHUh1-jrVH_HhQ3yR+WVAyhBTEqqOTy0HwUbenZw+dOtQ02mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
 <546FE872.80505@trilug.org>
 <CAHUh1-jrVH_HhQ3yR+WVAyhBTEqqOTy0HwUbenZw+dOtQ02mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411250932400.13815@eeyore.1000plus.com>

thanks alan & aaron for the suggestions!

aaron, based on previous experience with a proprietary solution, we'd like 
something with more in-house control / migratability, so google groups 
isn't ideal (although it's worth considering if all else fails).

alan, having worked in a datacenter hosting environment in a previous 
life, i have _zero_ desire to be on the hook for hosting services ever 
again. ;)  however, it turns out there's a local hosting firm (EM Web 
Design out of winston salem) that will offer us a managed instance with 
cpanel, mailman, and htdig - we would need to do the integration patching 
and manage the lists ourselves, but hopefully that's close enough to 
"hosted" for our IT team...

 						regards,

 							lisa

On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Aaron Joyner wrote:

> Google Groups?  You can all the controls to achieve a private list with the
> features you describe.  If you want a little more control you can do it
> with Google Apps for Work, which makes it easier to clamp things on a
> defined boundary (the domain), rather than allowing arbitrary email
> addresses to sign up to the lists.  You could still reject requests to
> join, or disallow requests entirely and hand-manage the list, the Apps for
> Work tools just make it a bit easier, for a modest cost.  There's also a
> support contact then, should you choose to vacate and someone
> less-technical needs to click the right buttons in the future.
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Alan Porter <porter at trilug.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>  but i'm getting pushback because our IT team is very small and prefers to
>>> minimize internal infrastructure and use hosted services wherever possible.
>>>
>>
>> So set up mailman + htdig on a Linode and send them an invoice for your
>> new hosted service.  :-)
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>

-- 
lisa lorenzin  |  lorenzin at 1000plus.com 
of what avail is an open eye if the heart is blind? - solomon ibn gavirol

From bill at arrowsreach.com  Tue Nov 25 15:01:33 2014
From: bill at arrowsreach.com (Bill Farrow)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:01:33 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Synology DiskStation or other NAS/media server
	hardware recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <53C00E1C.10707@webperformance.com>
References: <53C00E1C.10707@webperformance.com>
Message-ID: <CAPm8Nr1zwLONQpgXReaoAqUw8WAfRjHPbLdfXX0L5rAvjfmfLA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Chris Merrill
<chris at webperformance.com> wrote:
> I'm considering something like a Synology DiskStation DS414j
> (http://www.synology.com/en-global/products/overview/DS414j)

So Chris, did you pull the trigger and get a Synology unit ? If so,
how is it going ?

Bill

From randy at electronsweatshop.com  Tue Nov 25 16:30:26 2014
From: randy at electronsweatshop.com (Randy Barlow)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:30:26 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] mailman hosting with private searchable archives?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <5474F4F2.3070200@electronsweatshop.com>

If you are willing to use
not-yet-released-but-might-release-sort-of-soon software, Hyperkitty +
Mailman 3 might be an option for you.

https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty

-- 
R

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From ken at mack-z.com  Fri Nov 28 13:37:24 2014
From: ken at mack-z.com (Ken MacKenzie)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
Message-ID: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>

As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
thinking this direction first.

First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.  Things
are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.

Ken

From amnon at deltaforce.net  Fri Nov 28 13:41:15 2014
From: amnon at deltaforce.net (Amnon)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:41:15 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Spamassassin
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
Message-ID: <F62E67E9D52F44DDBACECFE1C8FB2DC5@P4XP>

Anybody here proficient with spamassassin?

Shalom Y'all
Amnon Nissan

Deltaforce
919-852-2121
http://www.deltaforce.net

Host, Computers 2K Now
Sundays, 9AM - Noon
on www.computers2know.com   (now in our 21st year)

Part of the http://www.nissancommunications.com

My MV stuff is at:
  http://www.deltaforce.net/deuce/
  http://www.ncmvpa.com


From mpusateri at wickedtrails.com  Fri Nov 28 13:48:00 2014
From: mpusateri at wickedtrails.com (Matt Pusateri)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:48:00 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <F62E67E9D52F44DDBACECFE1C8FB2DC5@P4XP>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
 <F62E67E9D52F44DDBACECFE1C8FB2DC5@P4XP>
Message-ID: <9CEAD207-8FF1-4D90-8557-439BB161132E@wickedtrails.com>

Maybe you could give a bit more detail of what you’re looking for?

Matt P.

On Nov 28, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Amnon <amnon at deltaforce.net> wrote:

> Anybody here proficient with spamassassin?
> 
> Shalom Y'all
> Amnon Nissan
> 
> Deltaforce
> 919-852-2121
> http://www.deltaforce.net
> 
> Host, Computers 2K Now
> Sundays, 9AM - Noon
> on www.computers2know.com   (now in our 21st year)
> 
> Part of the http://www.nissancommunications.com
> 
> My MV stuff is at:
> http://www.deltaforce.net/deuce/
> http://www.ncmvpa.com
> 
> -- 
> This message was sent to: M. Pusateri <mpusateri at wickedtrails.com>
> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to trilug-leave at trilug.org from that address.
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From neilson at windstream.net  Fri Nov 28 13:54:44 2014
From: neilson at windstream.net (Peter Neilson)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:54:44 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
In-Reply-To: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.xp1thiusrns8nc@odin>

When I was 30 the OS at work was TSS-8, and there was no network at all,  
just mail local to the system. The other people with mail on the system  
were high school students.

Yahoo Answers allows users as young as 13, but I've seen erudite  
ten-year-old equestrians on there asking questions about their horses. At  
least they say they are ten.

Ten is a good age, if said child also rides horses. Otherwise 13.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500, Ken MacKenzie <ken at mack-z.com> wrote:

> As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
> thinking this direction first.
>
> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.  Things
> are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.
>
> Ken

From william at trilug.org  Fri Nov 28 14:20:57 2014
From: william at trilug.org (William Sutton)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:20:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
In-Reply-To: <op.xp1thiusrns8nc@odin>
References: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.xp1thiusrns8nc@odin>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1411281420350.10104@pilot.trilug.org>

Ah, the internet.  Where the men are men, the women are men, and the 
children are FBI agents....

William Sutton

On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Peter Neilson wrote:

> When I was 30 the OS at work was TSS-8, and there was no network at all, 
> just mail local to the system. The other people with mail on the system 
> were high school students.
>
> Yahoo Answers allows users as young as 13, but I've seen erudite 
> ten-year-old equestrians on there asking questions about their horses. At 
> least they say they are ten.
>
> Ten is a good age, if said child also rides horses. Otherwise 13.
>
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500, Ken MacKenzie <ken at mack-z.com> wrote:
>
>> As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
>> thinking this direction first.
>>
>> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.  Things
>> are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.
>>
>> Ken
> -- 
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From matt at noway2.thruhere.net  Fri Nov 28 16:15:46 2014
From: matt at noway2.thruhere.net (matt at noway2.thruhere.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:15:46 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Spamassassin
In-Reply-To: <9CEAD207-8FF1-4D90-8557-439BB161132E@wickedtrails.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
 <F62E67E9D52F44DDBACECFE1C8FB2DC5@P4XP>
 <9CEAD207-8FF1-4D90-8557-439BB161132E@wickedtrails.com>
Message-ID: <99a0a75f85bad3b01c9b1752bbe2935c.squirrel@www.noway2.net>

That was going to be my question too.

I've done a bit with it over the years, like adding libraries, declaring
white lists, etc. Not enough to be an expert at it, but I've become pretty
familiar with it's function and capabilities. Overall, it seems to be
pretty good at detecting spam but it doesn't contain the ability to reject
it, just flag it.

What is your question?

> Maybe you could give a bit more detail of what you’re looking for?
>
> Matt P.
>
> On Nov 28, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Amnon <amnon at deltaforce.net> wrote:
>
>> Anybody here proficient with spamassassin?
>>
>> Shalom Y'all
>> Amnon Nissan
>>
>> Deltaforce
>> 919-852-2121
>> http://www.deltaforce.net
>>
>> Host, Computers 2K Now
>> Sundays, 9AM - Noon
>> on www.computers2know.com   (now in our 21st year)
>>
>> Part of the http://www.nissancommunications.com
>>
>> My MV stuff is at:
>> http://www.deltaforce.net/deuce/
>> http://www.ncmvpa.com
>>
>> --
>> This message was sent to: M. Pusateri <mpusateri at wickedtrails.com>
>> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to trilug-leave at trilug.org from
>> that address.
>> TriLUG mailing list : http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug
>> Unsubscribe or edit options on the web	:
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>
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From amnon at deltaforce.net  Fri Nov 28 16:27:46 2014
From: amnon at deltaforce.net (Amnon)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:27:46 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Spamassassin
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.1411211551050.15099@eeyore.1000plus.com>
 <F62E67E9D52F44DDBACECFE1C8FB2DC5@P4XP>
 <9CEAD207-8FF1-4D90-8557-439BB161132E@wickedtrails.com>
 <99a0a75f85bad3b01c9b1752bbe2935c.squirrel@www.noway2.net>
Message-ID: <A177394467A64379A4335E7A378776EC@P4XP>

I need someone who has the time and know-how to install and configure it to work on our mail server.  We use dSpam, greylisting, 
header and Body checks and a few other utilities.  We used spamassassin years ago, but it is no longer there in the same capacity.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <matt at noway2.thruhere.net>
To: "Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion" <trilug at trilug.org>
Sent: November 28, 2014 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TriLUG] Spamassassin


> That was going to be my question too.
>
> I've done a bit with it over the years, like adding libraries, declaring
> white lists, etc. Not enough to be an expert at it, but I've become pretty
> familiar with it's function and capabilities. Overall, it seems to be
> pretty good at detecting spam but it doesn't contain the ability to reject
> it, just flag it.
>
> What is your question?
>
>> Maybe you could give a bit more detail of what youֳ¢ֲ€ֲ™re looking for?
>>
>> Matt P.
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Amnon <amnon at deltaforce.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody here proficient with spamassassin?
>>>
>>> Shalom Y'all
>>> Amnon Nissan
>>>
>>> Deltaforce
>>> 919-852-2121
>>> http://www.deltaforce.net
>>>
>>> Host, Computers 2K Now
>>> Sundays, 9AM - Noon
>>> on www.computers2know.com   (now in our 21st year)
>>>
>>> Part of the http://www.nissancommunications.com
>>>
>>> My MV stuff is at:
>>> http://www.deltaforce.net/deuce/
>>> http://www.ncmvpa.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message was sent to: M. Pusateri <mpusateri at wickedtrails.com>
>>> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to trilug-leave at trilug.org from
>>> that address.
>>> TriLUG mailing list : http://www.trilug.org/mailman/listinfo/trilug
>>> Unsubscribe or edit options on the web :
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>>> Welcome to TriLUG: http://trilug.org/welcome
>>
>> --
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>
> -- 
> This message was sent to: Amnon Nissan <amnon at deltaforce.net>
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> Welcome to TriLUG: http://trilug.org/welcome
> !DSPAM:5478e634190541877920152!
>
> 


From pattersonjeff at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 18:22:17 2014
From: pattersonjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Patterson)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 18:22:17 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1411281420350.10104@pilot.trilug.org>
References: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.xp1thiusrns8nc@odin>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1411281420350.10104@pilot.trilug.org>
Message-ID: <CALEMbP+5-qNm72yEvq8xfrP==ZDHJAM4-gRs0u_RE7HnSdwEfg@mail.gmail.com>

i love it! I got my older son had his 1st email when he was in 3rd grade,
but only because he asked for one. I got him a children's email on yahoo;
yahoo content blocked junk for me. Now my younger son only 1/2 heartenly
asks for one and I neither encourage nor discourage it. He'll get one when
he really wants one. However, the house rule is I get access to it whenever
I want. I occassionly look to see what's in there and, knock on wood, no
issues so far.  Mine haven't discovered girls yet...
On Nov 28, 2014 2:21 PM, "William Sutton" <william at trilug.org> wrote:

> Ah, the internet.  Where the men are men, the women are men, and the
> children are FBI agents....
>
> William Sutton
>
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Peter Neilson wrote:
>
>  When I was 30 the OS at work was TSS-8, and there was no network at all,
>> just mail local to the system. The other people with mail on the system
>> were high school students.
>>
>> Yahoo Answers allows users as young as 13, but I've seen erudite
>> ten-year-old equestrians on there asking questions about their horses. At
>> least they say they are ten.
>>
>> Ten is a good age, if said child also rides horses. Otherwise 13.
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500, Ken MacKenzie <ken at mack-z.com> wrote:
>>
>>  As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
>>> thinking this direction first.
>>>
>>> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.  Things
>>> are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>> --
>> This message was sent to: William <william at trilug.org>
>> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to trilug-leave at trilug.org from
>> that address.
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From reginald.reed at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 19:21:24 2014
From: reginald.reed at gmail.com (Reginald Reed)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:21:24 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
In-Reply-To: <CALEMbP+5-qNm72yEvq8xfrP==ZDHJAM4-gRs0u_RE7HnSdwEfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA2Opa0XjUsQH8k7B6v6T+3Tpz0yER=1stsJc5KP1vYsY9pQ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <op.xp1thiusrns8nc@odin>
 <alpine.DEB.2.02.1411281420350.10104@pilot.trilug.org>
 <CALEMbP+5-qNm72yEvq8xfrP==ZDHJAM4-gRs0u_RE7HnSdwEfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP-d_6ma4GAU4Qg=RoQrV5mqEa3kp3U9Vy4X6J30SFVr+20fMg@mail.gmail.com>

My kiddo is on the autistic spectrum and hasn't asked for an account
yet (she'll be 12 in a couple of weeks), but when she's ready,
hopefully she'll appreciate the fact that I registered her
FirstNameLastName.com many years ago.  Who knows if it'll be cool when
she's ready :)

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Jeff Patterson <pattersonjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> i love it! I got my older son had his 1st email when he was in 3rd grade,
> but only because he asked for one. I got him a children's email on yahoo;
> yahoo content blocked junk for me. Now my younger son only 1/2 heartenly
> asks for one and I neither encourage nor discourage it. He'll get one when
> he really wants one. However, the house rule is I get access to it whenever
> I want. I occassionly look to see what's in there and, knock on wood, no
> issues so far.  Mine haven't discovered girls yet...
> On Nov 28, 2014 2:21 PM, "William Sutton" <william at trilug.org> wrote:
>
>> Ah, the internet.  Where the men are men, the women are men, and the
>> children are FBI agents....
>>
>> William Sutton
>>
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Peter Neilson wrote:
>>
>>  When I was 30 the OS at work was TSS-8, and there was no network at all,
>>> just mail local to the system. The other people with mail on the system
>>> were high school students.
>>>
>>> Yahoo Answers allows users as young as 13, but I've seen erudite
>>> ten-year-old equestrians on there asking questions about their horses. At
>>> least they say they are ten.
>>>
>>> Ten is a good age, if said child also rides horses. Otherwise 13.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500, Ken MacKenzie <ken at mack-z.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
>>>> thinking this direction first.
>>>>
>>>> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.  Things
>>>> are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>> --
>>> This message was sent to: William <william at trilug.org>
>>> To unsubscribe, send a blank message to trilug-leave at trilug.org from
>>> that address.
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>>>
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From mpusateri at wickedtrails.com  Sat Nov 29 14:26:42 2014
From: mpusateri at wickedtrails.com (Matt Pusateri)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Spamassassin
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I’ve always called it from Amavisd-new. They had issues where the signature server crashed and it took them a very long time to get it back up.  What’s weird is that on the two systems I use it on, 1, get’s updates 2-3 times a week, the other never sees updates.  I haven’t had time to troubleshoot it.   Also finding sites with up to date rules is tough.  sought.rules.yelp.org is one site, but they’re not well maintained either.  Spamassassin has gone downhill with rulesets in my opinion.

Matt P.

On Nov 28, 2014, at 4:15 PM, matt at noway2.thruhere.net wrote:

> That was going to be my question too.
> 
> I've done a bit with it over the years, like adding libraries, declaring
> white lists, etc. Not enough to be an expert at it, but I've become pretty
> familiar with it's function and capabilities. Overall, it seems to be
> pretty good at detecting spam but it doesn't contain the ability to reject
> it, just flag it.
> 
> What is your question?
> 
>> Maybe you could give a bit more detail of what you’re looking for?
>> 
>> Matt P.
>> 
>> On Nov 28, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Amnon <amnon at deltaforce.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anybody here proficient with spamassassin?
>>> 
>>> Shalom Y'all
>>> Amnon Nissan
>>> 
>>> Deltaforce
>>> 919-852-2121
>>> http://www.deltaforce.net
>>> 
>>> Host, Computers 2K Now
>>> Sundays, 9AM - Noon
>>> on www.computers2know.com   (now in our 21st year)
>>> 
>>> Part of the http://www.nissancommunications.com
>>> 
>>> My MV stuff is at:
>>> http://www.deltaforce.net/deuce/
>>> http://www.ncmvpa.com
>>> 
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From djerman at pobox.com  Sat Nov 29 22:14:29 2014
From: djerman at pobox.com (Don Jerman)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:14:29 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
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Yup, my kids have accounts too, but don't know about them.  I'm not sure
when we'll let them use email but it will probably be after they learn to
read :).

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Reginald Reed <reginald.reed at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My kiddo is on the autistic spectrum and hasn't asked for an account
> yet (she'll be 12 in a couple of weeks), but when she's ready,
> hopefully she'll appreciate the fact that I registered her
> FirstNameLastName.com many years ago.  Who knows if it'll be cool when
> she's ready :)
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Jeff Patterson <pattersonjeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > i love it! I got my older son had his 1st email when he was in 3rd grade,
> > but only because he asked for one. I got him a children's email on yahoo;
> > yahoo content blocked junk for me. Now my younger son only 1/2 heartenly
> > asks for one and I neither encourage nor discourage it. He'll get one
> when
> > he really wants one. However, the house rule is I get access to it
> whenever
> > I want. I occassionly look to see what's in there and, knock on wood, no
> > issues so far.  Mine haven't discovered girls yet...
> > On Nov 28, 2014 2:21 PM, "William Sutton" <william at trilug.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Ah, the internet.  Where the men are men, the women are men, and the
> >> children are FBI agents....
> >>
> >> William Sutton
> >>
> >> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Peter Neilson wrote:
> >>
> >>  When I was 30 the OS at work was TSS-8, and there was no network at
> all,
> >>> just mail local to the system. The other people with mail on the system
> >>> were high school students.
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo Answers allows users as young as 13, but I've seen erudite
> >>> ten-year-old equestrians on there asking questions about their horses.
> At
> >>> least they say they are ten.
> >>>
> >>> Ten is a good age, if said child also rides horses. Otherwise 13.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:37:24 -0500, Ken MacKenzie <ken at mack-z.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
> >>>> thinking this direction first.
> >>>>
> >>>> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.
> Things
> >>>> are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
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From hunteke at earlham.edu  Sun Nov 30 15:15:00 2014
From: hunteke at earlham.edu (Kevin Hunter Kesling)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 15:15:00 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] OT: at what age would you setup email for a child
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At 1:37pm -0500 Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Ken MacKenzie wrote:
> As in their own email account.  Gmail has managed accounts so I was
> thinking this direction first.
>
> First time I had an email account was college, and that was 1994.
> Things are a bit different now.  My oldest is 9 right now.

As you allude here, context is everything.  Context, context, context. 
I got my first email address through Hotmail when I was 11.  My parents 
had little understanding of "this internet thing", and I apparently 
understood the power of having an email address at the time.  So, I 
signed myself up, and my parents gradually found out when it came up in 
conversation months (years?) later.  No big deal.  My brother?  It 
didn't even occur to him to have an email address until he was given one 
in college (when he was 27).  (And yes, he's a tech-type who most 
definitely needs email.)

In my case, 11 years old was the perfect time: I was clearly asking (in 
a manner of speaking) for it, and I was generally aware enough of the 
world to be aware of certain types of dangers if they had ever come up.

My suggestion?  Other than as a rough proxy for a child's maturity, I'd 
ignore their age.  The larger issue is their understanding of the world 
as judged by you, their primary caretaker.  Are they able to put 
situations in context?  Are they able to think critically?  If they can 
do this, then they are ready for an email address.

Put differently, my parents never read my postal mail, and I will not do 
so for my children.  It is /their/ mail.  Why should email be any 
different?  If something is amiss, it will be apparent, and you can 
start a conversation.

Kevin

From john at stantonnet.org  Sun Nov 30 19:53:37 2014
From: john at stantonnet.org (John S)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 19:53:37 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Free Books/DVDs
Message-ID: <CA+rnFmjgGb=UTum+xbi7BKCaoXoYD=m=+BqBB_vzz=1ecmxaww@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

If you want any of the below let me know.

Books:
A Guide to SQL usage
Apache Cookbook
Perls of Wisdom
Bash Cookbook
Learning the bash shell
Programming perl 3rd Edition
Intermediate Perl
Beginning Python from Novice to Professional
Foundation of Python Network Programming

DVDs:
VNX File Storage Deployment and Management
VNX Unified Storage Deployment and Management

-John

From bgerard at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 20:23:02 2014
From: bgerard at gmail.com (Brian Gerard)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:23:02 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Free Books/DVDs
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Hey John-

I'd love to have the Apache Cookbook and the Bash Cookbook.  Can you bring them
to the next meeting (12/11), or were you looking to arrange a pickup
before then?

Thanks!
Brian

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:53 PM, John S <john at stantonnet.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> If you want any of the below let me know.
>
> Books:
> A Guide to SQL usage
> Apache Cookbook
> Perls of Wisdom
> Bash Cookbook
> Learning the bash shell
> Programming perl 3rd Edition
> Intermediate Perl
> Beginning Python from Novice to Professional
> Foundation of Python Network Programming
>
> DVDs:
> VNX File Storage Deployment and Management
> VNX Unified Storage Deployment and Management
>
> -John
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From chemikalguy at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 20:34:01 2014
From: chemikalguy at yahoo.com (Scott Thomas)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:34:01 -0500
Subject: [TriLUG] Free Books/DVDs
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I'll take the learning the bash shell book!

Scott Thomas

> On Nov 30, 2014, at 7:53 PM, John S <john at stantonnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> If you want any of the below let me know.
> 
> Books:
> A Guide to SQL usage
> Apache Cookbook
> Perls of Wisdom
> Bash Cookbook
> Learning the bash shell
> Programming perl 3rd Edition
> Intermediate Perl
> Beginning Python from Novice to Professional
> Foundation of Python Network Programming
> 
> DVDs:
> VNX File Storage Deployment and Management
> VNX Unified Storage Deployment and Management
> 
> -John
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